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I think some male between the age of 18-26 should try to start a court case and refuse to sign the Selective Service because their equal rights are being volated. Why should males have to be drafted, but not females?
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<p>Because females don't do combat. They aren't physically or emotionally built for it (with few exceptions) while males (again with few exceptions) generally are.</p>
<p>That is why females are restricted from most combat occupations in the military (infantry, armor, etc) and typically always have been.</p>
<p>It isn't discrimination; it is common sense.</p>
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and i would like to know as well why women have equal right in everything EXCEPT for the right to serve in our military when needed
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<p>What makes you think that they don't have the right to serve in our military? There are plenty of women in the military right now in non-combat positions. The draft is meant to fill combat positions such as infantry. Under current rules (as explained above) women are restricted from such positions. So what good would drafting them do?</p>
<p>Also, any people saying that they would move to Canada in the event in the draft really don't need to be here in the first place. If we had to resort to the draft it would mean that the USA would be in grave danger, and if you don't want to stand up and fight for your country then you need to get the hell out.</p>
<p>No human being is built for combat. Period. And I personally refuse to participate in ANY way, shape or form in the activity of a human being killing a human being. I respect the sanctity of human life, and I value human life. I am NOT going to end another human being's life just because some government bureaucrat said so. Neither am I going to help someone end another person's life. I personally value human life too much to contribute to something that is designed to murder people in cold blood. </p>
<p>Um about the standing up and fighting for your country, um maybe some have stronger convictions that overrule blind compliance. It takes a strong person to go to war, but it takes a stronger person to stand up for something that one values. </p>
<p>Why is it that humans can't just live in peace and harmony? Is it that difficult to compromise? Really.</p>
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Why is it that humans can't just live in peace and harmony? Is it that difficult to compromise? Really.
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<p>I guess people think that killing other people is the only way to prove a point?</p>
<p>That is your choice, futurenyustudent. Others will try to protect your life from those who would try to kill you because their leader said so. </p>
<p>Currently, Selective service is only to serve as a contingency plan in case of national emergency.</p>
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No human being is built for combat. Period. And I personally refuse to participate in ANY way, shape or form in the activity of a human being killing a human being. I respect the sanctity of human life, and I value human life. I am NOT going to end another human being's life just because some government bureaucrat said so. Neither am I going to help someone end another person's life. I personally value human life too much to contribute to something that is designed to murder people in cold blood.
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<p>Actually, I respect this attitude. Much better than when people say, "Hh, I could get hurt if there is a draft, screw my country, I'm leaving for my own good."</p>
<p>that's typically the mindset possessed by those that say they are conscientious objectors on religious grounds.</p>
<p>futurenystudent: KICK A**!!! well said!</p>
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If we had to resort to the draft it would mean that the USA would be in grave danger
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<p>Not necessarily. It could also mean that we have a power-hungry warmonger in the white house who is making really stupid decisions that are endangering our country and the world.</p>
<p>I agree with futurenystudent. War is usually a political issue. It takes more strength to stand up for a peaceful resolution than to blindly follow orders to kill someone, something you'd normally find reprehensible.</p>
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Well the way recruiting is going now, there will be a draft in the very near future even if there is the Dems in the seat
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<p>It would take more than lack of numbers to re-instate the draft. The army of the 21st century is far too technologically advanced to be supported by draftees. If the United States decided to go with a drafted force, it would require a massive paradigm shift in the way we fight our wars.</p>
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No human being is built for combat. Period.
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<p>Humans have evolved to survive. We aren't built for any purpose. If a human must engage in combat to survive and it instead chooses not to, it dies. There is nothing right or wrong about this. It's just the way things are.</p>
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Also, any people saying that they would move to Canada in the event in the draft really don't need to be here in the first place. If we had to resort to the draft it would mean that the USA would be in grave danger, and if you don't want to stand up and fight for your country then you need to get the hell out.
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<p>No one needs to be here in the first place. The primary purpose a country serves is the protection of the people who live within its borders. If a country fails to provide protection, it is no longer needed by the people who inhabit it. In the case of a draft, you as an individual would have to decide whether or not it is worth staying to fight. The different factors of your decision are personal safety, long term benefit, and short term benefit.</p>
<p>The world needs less patriotism, and more people who look at citizenship from an objective viewpoint based on survival. My guess is that would lead to a lot less conflict, and a lot more cooperation.</p>
<p>i like the way you think.</p>
<p>I don't. There is such a thing as evolution of the human race, ya know. We're no longer living in the caveman days.</p>
<p>this is it.</p>
<p>If you live in a Country and are a Citizen of that country then you give up your natural rights to that country. If they call on you then you are going, if you don't go then you are a spoiled child and really should leave the country as you aren't holding up your end of the bargain. FurtureNYUStudent I think I remember you saying you aren't an American citizen, thats fine if you don't want to defend a country you aren't a citizen of. I guess that it is expected that some men are actually women. so thats ok.</p>
<p>Evolution means we adapt to new things, It doesn't mean we loose the ability to do the things we once did. We can still be hunters and gatherers, we can do anything a caveman could do just better.</p>
<p>No. I disagree. If Bush wants to start a frivolous war that almost nobody agrees with anymore, he needs to pay for it out of HIS pocket and HE needs to go fight it. The lives of our soldiers, and ANYBODY for that matter, are too valuable for Bush to decide to throw them away. Citizenship to a country doesn't mean anything. It just means you have a different colored passport. So what? Besides, citizenship is acquired by being born in a country, which you can't control. You can say that you "give up your natural rights" to that country if we actually were able to CHOOSE our citizenship, but we can't. If I were able to choose my citizenship I'd become a citizen of Canada. But I still value human life too much to contribute in any way, shape or form to ending another human being's life. It's not about defending a country, it's about my ethical stance on the cold-blooded murder of fellow human beings. And I believe that that's wrong in more ways than one, and I'm NOT going to compromise MY INTEGRITY for some government bureaucrat. I'm a person of unflinching integrity and I'm not going to change for some government bureaucrat.</p>
<p>It is really sad that I will volunteer three years from now to protect the freedoms of people like you with absolutely no appreciation of the fact that freedom isn't free. Hope you have a fun time in your ivory tower. Sad to see you haven't matured a bit.</p>
<p>I agree with the war and will continue to untill its done. If you think citizenship doesnt mean anything then you are spoiled, go become a citizen of North Korea or Mongolia, see if its the same as America. Your citizenship is decided by you parents, if they choose to have you in America or choose to give birth tpo you in America and then move you, guess what its there choice, This is something you need to talk to your parents about if they made a bad choice. Sorry but I doubt you have the money to live without a citizenship, and for those in the past who have tried to live with their natural rights and not be a citizen of any country, take a elementary Philosophy class and you will learn about this in and after Plato's the Republic. Its not as glamorous as you think, Its actually been proven without countries in which people are citizens the human population would not last all to long. Thats the reason they are there, people found this out a very long time ago. I am sure you have been readily spoiled from the day of birth, so I cant expect you to understand what it is to sacrifice for the greater good. Id rather you move to another country, and since Im pretty much sure you are 17+ you can. so go for it man. I'm all for it.</p>
<p>You say you respect Human life in a whole, but I find that quite hard to belive. If you had the choice of deciding whether you Mother or a iraqi mother were to be killed with a Gun to there head execution style. Who would you choose? Obviously your mother, at least I hope so. Given the choice between you cousin and a North Korean Boy or Girl, in the same situation, what would it be. of course it would be a family member, its the only logical and instinctive choice. Now a Fellow American in the Military or a Korean Military personnel, It would not be in you and your families best interest to kill a fellow American, ad he/she is fighting for YOU. Even though you care about Human rights and such, these are all logical decisions that would make sense to Anybody. </p>
<p>If you say you would rather you mother, cousin and the US soldier to Die, then I really don't know what to say. But your attitude that only you matter to you in fine, because thats what our society is built on, so we can all succeed in the best interests of ourselves, but while doing so we can all lookout for each other. If you don't see it, give it time, you will mature soon enough.</p>
<p>futurenystudent: KICK A**!!! well said!</p>
<p>To ------ & goodbrew - there will be wars as long as people have your mentality. Someday when people like you can realize that that Iraqi woman IS SOMEONE ELSE'S MOTHER, JUST LIKE YOUR MOTHER, then we won't have wars anymore. That North Korean Boy or Girl is SOMEONE ELSE'S COUSIN. To the North Korean soldier, your cousin is just 'that American boy or girl.'</p>
<p>Get it?</p>
<p>No I don't get it. Just because they are related to somebody else doesn't mean anything to me. They are trying to hurt me and the nation to which I am a citizen. They are putting the welfare of my Family and my Fellow Countrymen at risk and in danger. Am I to apporve to such actions, please be at least practical. My immediate Family is first and foremost the most important thing to me, second most is my Family, cousins grandparents aunts and uncles alike. Third most is my fellow Countrymen whom will help protect my family as I will protect His and we will both protect our nation. I am also for men of other countries who want to help and I would do the same for them. These are the people whom are important to me, I don't care about other people, especially those who mean to do harm to my Family and country. Killing somebody from another nation is well worth it to keep my Family safe. There lives don't mean anything to me. Their lives are far less valuable in my view than that of my Family and countrymen.</p>
<p>You're all oversimplifying too much. Review your models.</p>
<p>War is usually not the choice of the citizenry (if ever.) It is the choice of leadership. The strawman setup of "my mother or theirs" is fallacious, and does not weight other potential options (both mothers or no mothers or other options altogether.)</p>
<p>However, the idea that war is just greedy hand-wringing leaders' game is also oversimplifying the complex reality of war and what leads to war. </p>
<p>I urge all of you to consider that perhaps you're thinking in too few dimensions to have a realistic picture of the reasons, outcomes, and nature of war.</p>
<p>You are a fool for being a moral relativist, leal.</p>