serious question that has been bothering me lately

<p>about the 9/11 commission..whoops..you are right. I didn't mean that you should accept the report as factual, but it is an interesting read. I didn't explain myself clearly about that, and I apologize. You can disagree with me if you wish, but every single documentary has some hidden agenda behind it. I think the only documentary I've watched that didn't have an agenda was Capturing the Friedmans because you are forced to draw your own conclusions. (I can't explain it, you just have to watch it for yourself). </p>

<p>Thanks for the links and I will read them when I get the time, I promise. :) </p>

<p>The intelligence thing...I don't think that intelligence has an absolute definition. People tell me that I'm intelligent and I ask them why because what is intelligence? What defines me being intelligent? Is it because I do research and memorize facts, is it because I have a desire to learn, is it because I can study five minutes before a test and know the information? </p>

<p>I'm not articulate (if you were to meet me, I'd probably be very shy and say stupid things due to my nervousness)...so does that mean I lack intelligence? I cannot judge Bush's intelligence because of his stumblings at press conferences because I never had a conversation with the man to know if this is something he does normally. I would love to talk to him, to know what makes him tick. </p>

<p>I think my psychology professor is kind of the same way. He has to lecture in front of 600+ students and yes, he stumbles sometimes, he says "um" a lot and he repeats himself when explaining things and tends to quote the textbook. But I've found out from having an actual conversation with him that he is extremely knowledgeable in his discipline, he knows so many studies that were done and could talk about it hours on end, and I have so much respect for him. So I cannot say that he's unintelligent because he fidgets during lecture and sometimes gets flustered and tends to say "does that make sense" after every explanation. A lot of people think he's a horrible prof because of this, but they never took the time to actually have a conversation with him and listen to what information he has to offer (because he's disciplined in the area of cognitive psychology and general psychology and because of the experiments he's conducted.) </p>

<p>So I should clarify my earlier post by saying that I do not have an actual definition of intelligence because I do not know what intelligence is. It varies. My friend was in special education classes and he would talk to me on the bus about black holes and the quantum mechanics and he would teach it to me. A lot of people would assume that because he's in special education classes that he's "slow" but if you met him, you would be amazed. </p>

<p>I believe that the movie you're referring to is The Constant Gardener?? If that's the movie, I'm going to watch it because it sounds interesting..(I think you gave away the ending though)</p>

<p>I like having this conversation with you without the mud-slinging. If you want to talk about this further (just in case if the thread becomes a flame-fest, then feel free to IM me on AIM..it's the same as my CCname) :D</p>

<p>Ah, I remember...the movie is called 'Being There.'</p>

<p><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078841/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I understand what you're saying about intelligence, and I agree. My own son does not exhibit the classic 'studious to the point of being a workaholic' traits, but he is absolutely brilliant and will teach himself virtually anything if he is interested. Your prof. is obviously intelligent in his field, but simply does not have very good speaking skills.</p>

<p>However, the president of our country should have on his/her resume not only intelligence, but negotiation skills, speaking skills, quick-wittedness, tact, good articulation, good vocabulary, clear focus, and a host of other traits which are vital to the job.</p>

<p>I often hear people defending bush by saying that he 'just doesn't speak very well.' Well, that's like saying it's ok for a Broadway actor to have stage fright or be unable to project his/her voice, or it's ok for a bodyguard to have zero training in self-defense. Some skills are simply needed for the job.</p>

<p>Your prof. is able to get by without good speaking skills. He probably doesn't need negotiation skills either. But a president of a superpower like the US needs to engage in debate and negotiation on a daily basis, and millions of lives could be at stake if the leader of another country misunderstood his meaning because he didn't articulate it well or didn't use tact in getting his point across.</p>

<p>These are simply required skills for the job. There are so many qualified politicians who DO have ALL of these skills, I cannot understand how someone like bush could have gotten elected. He simply does not possess the skills needed in the job description.</p>

<p>Of course, I don't believe he got elected, but that's another issue. I think it says a lot about the state of apathy in our country that someone lacking even the basic skills needed for the job now holds the office.</p>

<p>Anyway, I agree that just about every documentary, every piece of info out there, in fact, does have some element of a hidden agenda, or at least a degree of distortion. However well-meaning it may be, it cannot help but be colored by the beliefs of the people creating it. That's why I don't accept one side of an issue but prefer to research all the angles with an open mind. Cross-reference and then decide, and even then, always remain open to the possibility that I may get new info which may change my mind again.</p>

<p>Thanks for the offer! I am always open to discussion. You are one of the nice people on this forum.</p>

<p>as an american im allowed to hate the president in any circumstance. thats it.</p>

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<p>I certainly hope you're not voting just so you have this "right" to complain.</p>