severna park cheating scandal

Pre-College Issues High School Life
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<p>I think that the students who were in the test room had the right to report it to the test proctor, but this thompson kid seems like a loser. Who takes their whole school to press and says everybody cheats? Believe it or not in public schools, high school is just a game to get by whatever way you can. Some people choose to cheat sometimes, that's a risk they're taking. But that doesn't mean that you go off and start the "League of super-tattle tails". </p>

<p>I wonder how many friends that kid has, like four? and now he's just gonna be isolated from the rest of his peers, smart move.</p>

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<p>Wow, talk about superficial and short-sighted, Tyler. Some things are significantly more important than how many "friends" you have while you're in High School. Will that really matter 10, 20, 30 years down the line? No, it will not. Friends come and go. Do you know what never does? The person you create yourself to be. If you have honor, morality, and decency, those stay with you all your life. They never leave, unlike friends. If you saw some guy walk up to someone on the street and murder them, would you refrain from "tattle tailing" because you don't want to lose your friends? While it's a more serious crime, it's still an apt analogy.</p>

<p>Furthermore, I would hazard a guess that the VAST majority of the people who claim he was wrong for snitching themselves cheat and so condemn those who do not.</p>

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<p>^Does it matter? He's going off to college soon.</p>

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<p>Yes because reporting a murderer and telling on a kid for cheating in high school are basically the same thing, right?</p>

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<p>why is this particular case such a big deal? as some of you have mentioned, cheating like this happens ALL THE TIME. why is this one particular incident being given national news coverage? i just don't get it...</p>

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<p>Because it's for an AP test and it's for, according to the article, a prestigious high school.</p>

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<p>to think this is the only AP test that people cheated on is foolish. or ever to think that cheating on them is rare</p>

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<p>The big deal is that: it's people like this-those cheaters-who believe its alright to cheat because they want to get to the top! And the bigger problem is the people who decide that it's ok for them to turn a blind eye to the cheating because it's "being anti-social"!!!! </p>

<p>There are so many people who are born with circumstances that they can't change and allowing cheating to continue and become a revered ideology and thoroughly unsupportable. For all those who say: "who cares?!?!","life's not fair", or "its always going to happen" think about a time in the past or the future when you're going to be cheated out of something you worked hard for.....I'm pretty sure you're not going to be shaking hands and congratulating those CHEATERS for being....smart!?!?!?!?!</p>

<p>"All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing."-Edmund Burke</p>

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<p>The kid seems REALLY spiteful, albeit his points justified.</p>

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<p>Half of you must be under the influence of something because I can't believe you were actually comparing this to embezzlement, rape, and murder. LMAO.</p>

<p>You people keep trying to take this debate to some philosophical level hoping to try to confuse the rest of us into seeing the light. These are the facts:</p>

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<li>People "cheated" (Which, i doubt this kid can even prove. They were using the same bag?? Well if this kid is as socially retarded as he seems, he probably doesn't realize that many girls wear the same type of bags (Prada, Gucci, LV, coach, etc)).</li>
<li>They reported it to proctor, he does nothing.</li>
<li>This kid decides, "hey let me fck not only some random kids that will not effect me in ANY way, but the rest of my classmates who have to take it AGAIN because im a self righteous dick".</li>
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<p>Really, theres no reason for him to tell, all it will do is just cause them to retake the test, possibly lose a probably good man his job, and make him more of a loser than he already is. I know somebody thats the type of kid who would do this. Coincidentally I befriended him for just that reason, I don't have to worry about him snitching on me when I do bad stuff, and ive gotten alot of my real friends out of being snitched on for stupid things by knowing this kid (though it would be easier if he just dropped off the face of the planet and made our lives easier).</p>

<p>All you need to realize is that the people who are smart, cheating does not effect. The curve will not be ruined because 4 people out of millions cheated, your grade does not get lowered because of others, school is primarily like a personal sport such as track. If others take drugs and all they might be able to run past you, but in the end your accomplishments are only applicable to yourself. Harvard isn't gonna ask you what the person next to you got on there Calc Final, they want to know about you.</p>

<p>And I stand by what I said, someone needs to beat this kids ass for his own good. The people who are isolated and ostracized from society, people like him, are who turn out to be the school shooters and snipers of the world.</p>

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<p>ok so i'm a student at Severna Park High and know the people who cheated, and when I found out I was not surprised at all. I have known the three girls for over 10 years and they are the type that will do anything to get by.
And none of them will get in trouble, besides not being allowed to retake the test, because they are athletes on our best sports teams and sports are the pride and joy of SP. I know one of them is trying to go to Stanford for athletics for college and this probably wont go on their record or anything, which is absolutely rediculous.
*and yes, the thompson kid a pain. he's one of those kids who has to prove everyone wrong and thinks he is god's gift to the earth basically</p>

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<p>Apparently you didn't even READ the article before you go spouting off inane, nonsensical arguments.</p>

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<li>It has nothing to do with people having similar bags. They were sharing ONE bag and even WITNESSED looking over review material in the bathroom.</li>
<li>Yeah, which is what got the students so riled up.</li>
<li>No, if you had even read the article you would know that many people saw it happen and many people reported it, not just one kid. So obviously it bothered a lot of people.</li>
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<p>The only comparisons people make to, as you said, embezzlement, rape, and murder is because certain people use justifications for it that they would not use for any other crime.</p>

<p>"I don't have to worry about him snitching on me when I do bad stuff"</p>

<p>You just proved my point. The people who don't like it are those who do the SAME STUFF THEMSELVES and are worried they might get caught. You, sir, are a horrible person.</p>

<p>"All you need to realize is that the people who are smart, cheating does not effect. The curve will not be ruined because 4 people out of millions cheated"</p>

<p>You again did not even read the article. It says that it is a wide problem at the school. If anyone needs to realize something, you should realize that thinking can actually lead to good things - like understanding what you're talking about, something you most obviously do not.</p>

<p>"Harvard isn't gonna ask you what the person next to you got on there Calc Final, they want to know about you."</p>

<p>Patently false. If someone from your school applies at the same time you did and has higher scores, they will be accepted in place of you.</p>

<p>"And I stand by what I said, someone needs to beat this kids ass for his own good. The people who are isolated and ostracized from society, people like him, are who turn out to be the school shooters and snipers of the world."</p>

<p>Oh my, the irony is overwhelming. You are advocating violence and say that he's going to be a school shooter/sniper. No, sir, people like you are the school shooters and snipers of the world - you care about no one but yourself and how many friends you have. If you don't have friends, you go on a rampage and massacre people because you have no moral compass. Someone needs to beat your ass because you're the type of person who turns out to be the school shooters and snipers of the world. I'm just glad you don't go to my school or I'd fear for my life.</p>

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<p>i don't agree that oneone who cheats "has no moral compass".</p>

<p>i cheated on every test i can think of in highschool. sorry, but it's the truth. i knew what i was doing was "wrong", but also don't have any of these urges you speak of to shoot up my school. freshman year i didn't "like" cheating(hadn't cheated on anything in middle school), but soph year on it was just like going to class. there's a difference between the kids who cheat just to get by and the kids who cheat to set the curve. in both reasons and the methods they use...</p>

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<p>LMAO Jarn, your awesome man. </p>

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  1. It has nothing to do with people having similar bags. They were sharing ONE bag and even WITNESSED looking over review material in the bathroom.

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<p>This part of the story doesn't even make sense. How can anyone prove this? Are you telling me that some students sat there for ten minutes staring at the same girls repeatedly? What took them so long to tell on them? There was probably 1 or 2, max three students who probably said anything. Its not a massive amount, otherwise they would've had it done at the testing site.</p>

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You just proved my point. The people who don't like it are those who do the SAME STUFF THEMSELVES and are worried they might get caught. You, sir, are a horrible person.****

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Well I'm not exactly worried about getting caught doing anything I do. I'm man enough to face up to my own consequences, so when I get caught if I can't lie my way out (which I generally can but thats beyond the point), then i accept the ramifications of my own actions. Your right though, I am a horrible person, and you saying that only makes me feel even better about being an ******* :).</p>

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You again did not even read the article. It says that it is a wide problem at the school. If anyone needs to realize something, you should realize that thinking can actually lead to good things - like understanding what you're talking about, something you most obviously do not.

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<p>YOU, again, prove your social idiocy. Cheating is a large problem at MOST high schools. These kids are just the ones that don't do it enough to not get caught. If anyone needs to learn anything, its you who needs to realize that you should stop imposing your ridiculous morals upon me, and to stop making ludicrous claims based on the SAME AMOUNT OF INFORMATION that everyone else has. You keep telling me that I wasn't present for what happened so I don't know what I'm talking about, yet YOU weren't there. I did read the article. Twice in fact. Again, stop putting words in my mouth.</p>

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Patently false. If someone from your school applies at the same time you did and has higher scores, they will be accepted in place of you.

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<p>No. There are a ton of other factors that go into this decision. Affirmative action, ECs, Essays, GPA, class ranking, etc. That was a stupid generalization to make. </p>

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No, sir, people like you are the school shooters and snipers of the world - you care about no one but yourself and how many friends you have.

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<p>Thats kind of a contradiction is it not? I must obviously care about my friends in order to maintain them as friends right? </p>

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If you don't have friends, you go on a rampage and massacre people because you have no moral compass.

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<p>LMAO ummm no, if I don't have friends in the area, I go make them. Duh? Oh and thanks for just stealing my moral compass right from me, I'm gonna go rape, rob and pillage New York now.</p>

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Someone needs to beat your ass because you're the type of person who turns out to be the school shooters and snipers of the world. I'm just glad you don't go to my school or I'd fear for my life.

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<p>Well you know history kind of goes against what your saying. Let's see here....</p>

<ol>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho&lt;/a>
Loser.
2.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold&lt;/a>
Losers.</li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_L%C3%A9pine&lt;/a>
Loser.
4.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kinkel%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kip_Kinkel&lt;/a>
Loser.</li>
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<p>I could keep going but you get the point. Facts are on my side, but keep insulting me it makes me feel loved :).</p>

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<p>Armando---Don't kid yourself. Someone who cheats on a Math test and another and another doesn't stop. They have to keep it up. Then you or yours get them in the ER and they have had a "couple of drinks" (cheating?) Cheating is very important and the cheater is the one at fault. NO ONE ELSE.</p>

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<p>Osage, what the hell does them showing up in the ER with a sky high BAC have ANYTHING to do with cheating? I know some of the smartest, most talented asian girls with strict parents that routinely get drunk and have even popped e and smoked herb alot. What are you trying to say?</p>

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<p>Cheating is big at my school, but not for the top students. It's mainly a problem for the lazy ones.</p>

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<p>Sorry, hyakku, but I am the one with facts on my side. The majority of the stuff you said merely backed up my own points.</p>

<p>"This part of the story doesn't even make sense. How can anyone prove this? Are you telling me that some students sat there for ten minutes staring at the same girls repeatedly? What took them so long to tell on them?"</p>

<p>Now you're ignoring part of the story that you previously mentioned - they told the proctor, but he did nothing. It's not like they waited for days. And there is rarely such thing as proof (except in math ;)). But if multiple people state that they saw these people do this, it's most likely true.</p>

<p>"You keep telling me that I wasn't present for what happened so I don't know what I'm talking about, yet YOU weren't there."</p>

<p>No, I keep telling you you didn't read the article - and no matter how much you say you did, you continue to make bogus claims contradicted in he actual article. (See above, for an example.)</p>

<p>"Cheating is a large problem at MOST high schools."</p>

<p>Oh, and that makes it all right? There's a lot of problem with violence in some countries in South America, is it fine then?</p>

<p>"No. There are a ton of other factors that go into this decision. Affirmative action, ECs, Essays, GPA, class ranking, etc."</p>

<p>Let's think for a minute... what happens to your class ranking if someone scores better than you because they cheated? Oh yeah. It goes down.</p>

<p>"Thats kind of a contradiction is it not? I must obviously care about my friends in order to maintain them as friends right?"</p>

<p>No, it's not a contradiction. It is entirely possible that you don't care about them, just that they are your friends. Purely for the social status of having an arbitrary number of friends.</p>

<p>"Well you know history kind of goes against what your saying. Let's see here...."</p>

<p>None of this backs up your point at all. None of these people did anything because their grades were too bad/good. In fact, a few actually back up my point - they did what they did because they were socially ostracized, because they cared too much about friendship and did not have any.</p>

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Now you're ignoring part of the story that you previously mentioned - they told the proctor, but he did nothing. It's not like they waited for days. And there is rarely such thing as proof (except in math ). But if multiple people state that they saw these people do this, it's most likely true.

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<p>So again, what took them so long to take action with people that WOULD have done something? If they really cared they wouldve went to another teacher outside of the testing site and got something done.</p>

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Oh, and that makes it all right? There's a lot of problem with violence in some countries in South America, is it fine then?

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<p>What the hell is with you people taking totally unrelated situations and trying to compare them? All they have in common is that people like you are again imposing their beliefs on something you know relatively nothing about. Some revolutions in South America are actually by people who want freedom for political oppression. And stop doing that. This is a person cheating in school, not south american rebels going crazy.</p>

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Let's think for a minute... what happens to your class ranking if someone scores better than you because they cheated? Oh yeah. It goes down.

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This is irrelevant. If you are the top student in your class then the only way they could beat you would be by cheating from you. Study more or stop wasting time complaining on CC about cheaters when you should be studying if this irks you so much.</p>

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No, it's not a contradiction. It is entirely possible that you don't care about them, just that they are your friends. Purely for the social status of having an arbitrary number of friends.

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<p>If I didn't care for them they would be associates, not friends. And to have high social value you would have to have friends and all that actually like you. Thusly, you have proven the contradiction. Thanks.</p>

<p>None of these people did anything because of their grades, but it was an underlying factor in what caused people to make fun of them. That and isolating themselves, feeling they were better then everyone else (as none of these people WANTED friends), and being socially ostracized. </p>

<p>Anyway this is a stupid debate, you shouldn't be caught debating with a ignoble heathen such as myself, I might murder you in your sleep while your not watching o_o.</p>

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This is irrelevant. If you are the top student in your class then the only way they could beat you would be by cheating from you.

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<p>people who cheat just to get by copy off someone else. </p>

<p>one who cheats to set the curve will have a copy of the test a day before, a answer key, or will have talked to a number of people who took the test before you.</p>