<p>Hello, I'll be a senior in the fall, and I visited U of M today, well, yesterday really, and I learned ALL about the engineering program, and everything sounded great and all that. YAY! I was wondering if anyone on this forum could tell me a bit more about this mystical Shipman Scholar program thinger; if anyone here has received it or knows what kind of people get it. There aren't any profiles of scholars on the website, which is why I'm asking here. Obviously, smart kids are getting them, but after reading on the Duke website about full-riders who took 20 APs, started for three different all-state sports teams, and fed the homeless in their free time, I've begun to seriously doubt my scholarship earning abilities. I have a 36 ACT, 4.0 unweighted GPA, 7 APs by the time I graduate, and I'm a serious band nerd, but that's about it (I'm in-state, too). I'd just like to get an idea of how I compare to any Shipman Scholars out there. Thanks a bunch!</p>
<p>There's some information about the people who have it here: <a href="http://www.umich.edu/%7Eshipsoc/%5B/url%5D">http://www.umich.edu/~shipsoc/</a>.</p>
<p>If you have Facebook, you can find out more about the people themselves by looking at their group: <a href="http://umichigan.thefacebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=427%5B/url%5D">http://umichigan.thefacebook.com/group_profile.php?gid=427</a></p>
<p>I've only known three people that have it. It seems that it is extremely selective, I believe about a dozen people picked each year. As there are going to be 6000 freshmen incoming, your odds are literally one in 500.</p>
<p>Yes, but Matthew, a 36 ACT and 4.0 unweighed GPA while taking 7 AP classes is pretty impressive. I would say his odds are clearly better than 1 in 500. How many incoming Freshmen had 36 ACT scores with 4.0 GPAs? Probably about 500. So I would say his odds are more like 1 in 50. But there is not guarantee. Still, as an in-stater, he will definitely get a significant scholarship. I do not see him having to pay more than $10,000/year (books and room and board included) to attend Michigan.</p>
<p>Sorry, I was just showing the math for the typical student. You're right in that the Shipman scholars are judged a lot on GPA and test scores. However, I find making claims that scholarships from U of M will come and be significant is premature at best. Worst case scenario you'll have to pay no more than $20k a year--as an out-of-stater, that would be a wonderful bargain.</p>
<p>Supermurgatroyd, why would an engineer want to look at Duke over Michigan? Duke is average in Engineering. If Engineering is your intended field of study, look into MIT, Stanford, CalTech, maybe Cal and if those do not offer you a better deal, go for Michigan. CMU, Cornell and Princeton are equal to Michigan, but in terms of quality of life, they do not come close.</p>
<p>Matthew, I think Supermurgatroyd is a resident of Michigan, which is why I said that I do not think he will have to pay more than $10,000/year to attend Michigan.</p>
<p>Aleksandre, minor correction on numbers. There are only about 200 kids a year who get 36 on ACT (and less then 1500 with 35). Out of those 200 realistically may be 20 will apply to Michigan. Of those 20 only some will have 4 UW GPA and be in-state (which I would think should give this candidate some edge). So, to me it looks like his chances are good, if selection process is mostly numbers-driven.</p>
<p>Of course, there are also about 800 kids a year who get 1600 (2400 new) SAT score...</p>
<p>Datadriven, I would say yours is a pretty MAJOR correction. Thanks for clarifying. My point is that a 36 ACT score couple with a 4.0 GPA with a challenging courselaod makes the OP an ideal candidate for the Shipman. Your correction actually accentuates my point. If there are indeed only 200 students who score a perfect 36 on the ACT and 800 who score a perfect 2400 on the SAT, I would say that chances are, only about 100 students apply to Michigan with perfect scores. And since 12 get the Shipman award, the OP's chances are indeed excellent.</p>
<p>Even for in-staters, books and room and board are roughly $8000 and tuition is another $8000+.
Although the Shipman website claims it weights a lot on grades and test scores, it'd be far more convincing if they showed the stats for the past years' winners. After all, what's the difference between a 35 and 36 ACT score, or a 1590 and a 1600 on the SAT? Virtually nothing.</p>
<p>I know Matthew, but my point is, his chances of getting the Shipman scholarship is bettern than 0.2% and in all likelyhood, he will get some scholarship money...enough to knowck his cost of attendance to $10,000 or so.</p>
<p>Wow, thank you SO much for all the input, guys! Alexandre, I'm mainly looking at biomedical engineering, which is why I was looking at Duke as well. And I'm a Michigan resident, if I didn't make that clear enough =. I'm also a girl, but I doubt that matters in the context of this thread. Thank you all, and as much as you have all already boosted my confidence, if there are any Shipman Scholars or friends of out there, I'd really like to see stats of somebody who's actually won the thing.</p>
<p>Actually, being female and interested in Engineering does indeed make a difference. Be sure to apply to MIT.</p>
<p>Thanks from me too </p>
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<li>Another MI resident with the exact same stats as supermurgatroyd.</li>
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<p>I'm bumping this topic WAY up, because I'm too lazy to make a new one :)</p>
<p>I just received a letter about the Shipman Scholarship inviting me to go for an interview in March. There's an event called the "Shipman weekend" to learn more about the school and such. </p>
<p>So:
The letter says that "Students who attend the weeken and enroll at the University of Michigan will become members of the Shipman Society". Apparently members of said Society are given a $5000 scholarship renewable for up to 3 years. On top of that, the College of LSA is offering me "$20,000 per year for up to four years" if I "attend the Shipman Weekend and enroll at" UMich.</p>
<p>Let me just make sure....
Does this mean that if I attend that weekend, regardless of whether I get the Shipman Scholarship, Mich is offering me a total of $95,000 over 4 years??</p>
<p>Lady, if you go to the Shipman weekend and enroll at U-M, you will receive 25K/year, no question.</p>
<p>The shipman weekend just determines if you get that extra $13000/year.</p>
<p>I got the letter too. I got accepted to Yale EA though, and I think the extra money for Yale is worth it...I'm still thinking about it though. Decisions, decisions.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, my stats:</p>
<p>2250 SAT
4.0 UW GPA
8 AP classes
TASP alum (I think this was the tipping factor)</p>
<p>Also got the same letter. I also have a different (engineering) scholarship, plus I'm in-state, so everything is paid.</p>
<p>I am so confused at the moment.
I just got a letter from the College of LSA offering me, essentially unconditionally (other than maintaining a 3.5 GPA and such), $80,000 over 4 years. I can't tell if this is the same or different from the "additional scholarship" mentioned in the Shipman letter. If they're two different scholarships...then it looks like everything is paid for me + some free money. I don't want to get excited though only to be let down. The letters are sent from two different offices and the contact people are different....hmm..</p>
<p>Maintaining a 3.5 at the University of Michigan is no easy task.</p>
<p>Engineering asks to maintain a 3.0 (for the equivalent scholarship.)</p>
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Maintaining a 3.5 at the University of Michigan is no easy task.
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is that meant to influence my decision?
I don't quite understand what to make of it...</p>
<p>translation: do not think that a 3.5 is nothing</p>
<p>my take: if you're an RSI alternate, a 3.5 is nothing :P (take honors classes and rake in the curve)</p>