<p>hear hear!!!
what I don’t get is why ELITE don’t get something this obvious.
It happened before in “Chapman Wars” in old threads as well.
I am trying to understand that people are different and I am rather the weird one, but if I see stonewall that pretending to be foam rubber or the other way around, I want to get to the bottom of it, so I will know how to deal with them when I have to deal with them in real life, you know? I got to learn.</p>
<p>I believe the answers to those questions are in their FAQ page.
[FAQ</a> - What Will They Learn?](<a href=“http://whatwilltheylearn.com/faq]FAQ”>What Will They Learn? - Frequently Asked Questions)</p>
<p>^what did I tell you?</p>
<p>ElITE
Is this the one of them answers you mean? it is not written in fine points, at least 12pt. but what it says make no sense.
so this site is for kids never took AP or online course or CLEP, earlly college course etc most kids who would go on to D or F graded school would be doing all along in HS?
I have looked at “college algebra” text book from A listed CUNY. I just don’t see that why someone passed AP calc have to do that again. (no, not me nor my kid, but yours, maybe?)</p>
<p>-Aren’t many of these subjects already covered in high school?
Some of them, like Math, are “covered” in grade school. Even if students completed a lower-level class on the same subject in high school, a college-level class should be something quite different. “Higher” education is predicated on the concept of attainment of “higher” skills that prepare a graduate for informed citizenship and effectiveness in a competitive workplace. K-12 education has looked to higher education to set standards that create a meaningful continuum from secondary into post-secondary education. If done well, a college core can help students build on what they have learned before.</p>
<p>B&D, You’re too funny. My kids already have taken Calculus while in HS. I think we’re talking about apples and oranges here. lol. I’m not talking about the students who have taken up to Calculus BC while in HS and passed on their AP Exams, obviously, and of course it depends on what their major is and all of that. As an example, one of the posters from another forum had said, " Brown gets an F, but any school that requires its philosophy majors to take algebra and geometry and non-science-major geology will be just fine." This is what I’m referring to. Shouldn’t they have taken algebra and geometry already in HS? Why would they even suggest algebra and geometry as an option? Shouldn’t they be at least taking college level courses?</p>
<p>I know it has nothing to do with film now, sorry
but enlighten me please
so
you are agreeing with me on “college algebra” at A listed school is not college level course but redux of HS like I saw in the text book, unlike this whatwilltheylearn? people suggests?
sure they said in somewhere in small 12Pt plus font they’d require something more than algebra or remedial course, and do not include courses one can place out due to high test scores.
but say, using CUNY Brooklyn as example since I know them better than other A-listed schools,
they’d accept transfer students with associate degree, who might have done poorly at HS (NY state math requirement is esp. lax and I bet many other states where serving huge under priveraged students are the same way) and done time remedial HS 13th and 14th grades at comunity college. but they are only need to fulfill few choices out of tire 2 part of the core, which do not cover every seven pillars any longer.
so what are the oranges and what are the apples?
and why are you obsessed over this site if your kid are not “it”?
where do you find weird rankings after weird rankings if you are supposedly happy and proud of your kid’s choice?
in other words
what and why makes you tick?</p>
<p>I don’t want to go too far off topic, but no wonder so many students are having a tough time deciding which path to take, which major will have a better chance in getting a job, to go to film school, or trade school, or undergrad at a university, or go to grad school, etc.? Yes, I do realize that not all the students enter college have the same level of knowledge in the core subjects. Therefore, how will these institutions ensure that by the time their students graduate from their 4-year institutions that they will all have at least a college level knowledge in all of the core subjects, regardless of their major? That’s one of the issues in which What Will They Learn is trying to emphasize. </p>
<p>There are students who have graduated from the same institution may not even have the same college level proficiency of the core subjects while their peers have exceeded theirs. For example, perhaps a more rigor requirements would be the solution, such as a minimum of one-year calculus instead of allowing an algebra or geometry course to satisfy their GE’s for non math or science majors. </p>
<p>According to the FAQ page, “What you see on What Will They Learns illuminates why these statistics are so dismal: students seldom learn what they are not expected to learn.
This is because our colleges and universities have largely abandoned a coherent, content-rich general education curriculum. Many do not require a genuine, college-level math course; the vast majority do not require a survey course in American government or history, and only a handful require a basic course in economics. The general education curriculum has become anything goes.”</p>
<p>Therefore, it’d be wise for students to use their discretion when choosing a college and their course work. Know that every institution may have a different core requirements, so you may need to go above their GE standards to fulfill a higher level of core courses.</p>
<p>“so what are the oranges and what are the apples?”
My concern is not about the caliber of students attending these colleges, but the lack of directions to guide them to take the necessary course work in order to succeed after graduation. </p>
<p>“and why are you obsessed over this site if your kid are not “it”?”
I don’t think obsessed is the word, more like sharing the source of information. This is just one of the ways to find out if the schools are on track as they say they are in educating our kids. </p>
<p>“where do you find weird rankings after weird rankings if you are supposedly happy and proud of your kid’s choice? in other words what and why makes you tick?”
There are many different sources out there to rate the schools year after year. You can find them on the web, or in some magazine or news articles, etc., therefore, it is good information to share besides the few main ones that we’re used to like USNWR, Princeton Review, Forbes, etc. Sometimes it’s necessary to look at different ones to get a better understanding of their differences. While it’s comforting to know that my kid had picked a good school and is happy, but it’s disturbing to find so many other schools had F’s. That said, what makes me tick is the same as what makes you tick and the rest tick. :)</p>
<p>so you are basically worrying about/assuming that your film kid will not make it since there are USC UCLA etc, so-called above and better are around?
and either by your suggestion or kid’s own will, you opted out going-all-the-way-do-or-die but took well rounded gen-ed route, so the kid would be able to earn money as an office manager, accountant or so-so teacher of square subjects like, math, science, geography government sort?<br>
now you’d have to constantly looking out for the articles or ratings that confirm and re-assure that you are making right choice oblivious to other posters who pretty much think you are joking?
^now I got it, ticking and tocking! totally!!
thank you orange county!</p>
<p>B&D, That’s not quite what I was talking about. Now you’re talking lemons, and I’m talking apples. I’m not worrying about my kid, We are fine and happy with Chapman which got B as you said in another thread, while USC and UCLA got C, so my kid made the right choice. I was referring to the students who are going to another school may decide to change career goal after they graduate. By having a solid foundation in the core subjects will give them a better chance of getting any jobs. I think you’re ticking apples and lemons! LoL.</p>
<p>watch it, don’t go there!
even I, the evil doer did not say it loud (or did I?)
you are now officially admitting in public that you are happy that Chapman got B but USC and UCLA are C-rated ?
or joke is on me and I missed it somehow?
I have nothing more to say but gonna make lemonade…</p>
<p>I never said don’t go there. I’m not sure where is there exactly you have in mind. I think any of the schools with A, B, or C are on track or at least on the path towards the right direction. Of course there is always room for improvement, even if the schools are A, B, or C. I’m a bit concerned about the D’s and F’s, as I had said, those students attending the D and F schools may need to make some adjustments to bring the Core up to par, that’s all I was saying. I’m sure those are fine schools other than their Core may need a little work. I just want to make people aware that I’m hearing from graduates from different colleges who have to go back to school to learn additional skills because they felt they are still lack of the skills needed for the job market. This is coming from recent college graduates with a 4-year degree. So what does that tell us about the system? After spending an arm and a leg for a 4-year education, they still feel inadequate. So I think we do need sources out there to monitor the schools to make sure they’re doing their jobs, because it’s the parents who end up footing the bill. For the students who can’t afford another $100K in debt, they just go to their local community college to take on additional courses.</p>