<p>I've said it before but all things are NOT equal here. UNC has by far the better academic reputation both nationally AND internationally. The two towns are very different (Elon kids drive to Chapel Hill for excitement) and the campus cultures could not be much more different. UNC is by far more liberal, more diverse in every way and because of that, more accepting and inclusive. On visiting Elon I felt like I was stepping into a J Crew advertising photoshoot.</p>
<p>The social scene at UNC is not as limited nor driven by the Greek system as it is at Elon...this is a very BIG difference because what happens AFTER classes are over can make a big difference in adjusting to school, loneliness, and overall success. We've seen numerous posts on CC about kids being rejected from a given sorority and the devastation that can cause to a freshman year experience. When the whole social scene is so controlled and literally driven by the Greeks the chances for disappointment are much higher. BTW this is not an anti-Greek indictment...I went Greek and both S and D are Greek but they are in much more diverse settings than Elon.</p>
<p>As others have said except for musical theater, UNC should be a no brainer. But even with that said, having more good choices is also better. My son has a good friend who went to NYU for musical theater (and we ALL know how tough that admit was) and switched majors after one year. She was startled by the dog-eat-dog truly cut throat competitiveness and decided it wasn't for her. Thankfully, she WAS at NYU and had other good options to pursue.</p>
<p>If your D decides to change majors she will find far more opportunities and choices at UNC and will have a diploma that carries far more weight than one from Elon. </p>
<p>Don't fool yourself. Employers as well as grad and professional schools recognize the difference in degree pedigrees and Know how hard an OOS admit at UNC is; whereas Elon is widely regarded as a safety school for UNC level applicants and certainly at least a notch below in reputation.</p>
<p>I should have said - let's "pretend" that the schools are equal academically - where would she feel more comfortable? I think we all know they're not equal with regard to reputation.</p>
<p>I know when I walked on the campus of Elon and spoke with profs and administrators, I knew it was the place for me and I quickly forgot about the other big names I was applying to. I think taht is what college is all about, falling in love with your school and getting a sense that the people who teach there actually have a passion for what they do. Elon is that.</p>
<p>btw u don't have to register for SAT II if u got above a 2 on the AP calculus exam or if u took the SAT II Math Level 1 test. Of course if ur trying to place into math 231 (calculus)...then check out my other thread on the UNC sub forum.</p>
<p>I would have to disagree with the statement that Elon's social life revolves around the Greek system. I had a son who graduated from Elon, did not go Greek and never found it a problem. He said the parties were always open and he had friends in most of the fraternities. His feeling was why pay the dues when one can hang out there anyway. My son had a gf at UNC the whole time he was in school at Elon--they often hung out at Elon because he said there seemed to be more going on on campus at Elon--they went to Chapel Hill for games and Franklin St. (and never missed Halloween on Franklin).</p>
<p>I have a younger son who visits at Elon on weekend getaways from his college. He goes to Elon because he says the people are so friendly and welcoming--none of this "who are you and why are you here stuff".</p>
<p>Along other points I would agree that UNC has more prestige and recognition over all. Would also agree that UNC is more diverse. But it does come down to what a student wants in a school and the particular major.</p>
<p>mkm: Your younger son travels from Winston Salem to Burlington on the weekends, because there's so much more going on at Elon than at Wake Forest? Now that's a revelation. I also find it really hard to believe that "more was going on" at Elon's campus than at UNC's for your older son. I'm really having trouble wrapping my mind around that, too. </p>
<p>Also, the fact that your son did not "go Greek," but went to the parties anyway-- suggests that a lot of the social life did revolve around the Greek scene. I do think that a big advantage (to my mind) of UNC is that only 15% of undergraduates join a frat or sorority, so if one wants to do that, it's great; if not, you won't feel left out as there is plenty more to do. The social life simply doesn't revolve around those parties as they often do at much smaller schools.</p>
<p>Jack, I'm not sure if you meant the "more going on at Elon than at Wake" tongue in cheek or if you really are surprised? I think what my older son found was that being a smaller, more tightly knit campus he often knew what was going on at Elon whereas his gf was not as in touch with as many people at Chapel Hill.</p>
<p>I agree that UNC having only 15% Greek is a big plus (in my book at least), in fact that is why my younger son is leaving Wake due to the overwhelming Greek social life there. Since I haven't had a son (yet) at Chapel Hill, I can't compare UNC to Elon as far as the Greek influence, but Elon's Greek social life does not seem nearly as exclusive as Wake's.</p>
<p>I don't want anyone to misinterpret--I think UNC is a great school and son #2 will be there in the fall and is looking forward to a school in a college town, a school with many majors/minors since he is still somewhat undecided, and a school that offers lots of opportunities for research in various fields.</p>
<p>When we visited Elon,we managed to get there without ever seeing Burlington - or any other town larger than a postage stamp. We were driving through farms one minute and were on campus the next. That doesn't bother me since I grew up on a large farm in the middle of nowhere. I don't get the impression that the kids are hoofin' it into Burlington for a social scene. The campus reminded me of something out of the movie "The Truman Show." It looks like a postcard and I would love to see it with snow covering everything. At first it bothered me that it was so perfect, but I sat for a while on a bench, and it was so peaceful, I wanted to get out my Biology 101 book and do some homework. Day late and a dollar short. I had my dog with me and a kid stopped to ask about him and then asked what brought me there. I told him my daughter was considering it for music and he just started gushing about how wonderful the place is - how he's on a first name basis with his teachers and how he just loves, loves it. He ran off calling, "have a good visit. I hope your daughter does the right thing and, oh, your dog is cool." For myself, I'd still pick Chapel Hill or even Boone - love Boone - but Elon has come a long, long way.</p>
<p>Last night at 11:20, between packing for her trip and reading all your sage advice, DD signed the enrollmemt form for Chapel Hill. I need to write her counselor a thank you note. She helped DD think about what she really wanted and encouraged her to play the "pretend you're going to school X -- now pretend you're going to school Y" game. She said some of the same things I had said, but advice sounds different coming from a non-parent. I want to thank all of you for taking the time to give DD the benefit of your wisdom and experience. I think we both felt a twinge at giving up Elon's beautiful campus and cushy Honors program, but in the end she couldn't turn down her own personal golden ticket to the Southern Part of Heaven. Some body cue the the choir......"Hark the sound of Tarheel voices, ringing clear and true....."</p>
<p>MS - good to hear it all worked out. I don't think you can go wrong choosing Chapel Hill. But you really should stop jumping up and down and screaming - I can hear it from here. It's particularly great that she made the decision herself.</p>
<p>Glad to hear that the decision has finally been made...time for a collective SIGH of relief....Based on our experience at UNC I'm sure that she will be very happy with her decision....and you will love visiting "blue heaven"...and more likely than not, like us will look for reasons to visit...LOL !!</p>
<p>The one negative is that they all fall in love with the place and don't want to come home....just kidding...sort of.</p>
<p>Congratulations and best wishes to you all. If you or she has any particular questions regarding move-in, shopping for school things etc you are more than welcome to PM me.</p>
<p>Congratulations msreadalot and misreadalot's D!! I concur with eadad about Chapel Hill...except DH and I found ourselves looking at Chapel Hill real estate when we were there. WE didn't want to leave either...lol!</p>
<p>The fun part now begins...please let us know if we can help with anything.</p>
<p>grantb: Very funny. Now, do we actually know for sure that this was taken at Chapel Hill? Hmmm . . . I haven't actually seen guys with hair that short and anyone wearing madras in, well, decades. I do admire the popped collars, though. ;) Hope you're enjoying your time at Elon.</p>