Should I not be an Engineer?

I’m going to be real with you - if you’re struggling with Physics C, I probably wouldn’t major in engineering.

I took both Physics Cs in high school, and while I pretty much got my butt kicked, I scored 4s on both the exams. That was good enough for credit at my college, but the advisers “strongly recommended” I retake their physics E&M, and being a dumb, nervous freshman I listened.

That course was IDENTICAL to AP Physics C. Same textbook. Same material. Same homework problems. Same format of exams. It was uncanny.

So regarding sampling engineering for one year - if you’ve taken Physics C and Calc BC, you’ve already pretty much sampled it. Decide based on that. Don’t burn a year of time and tuition, just to have to make the same decisions sophomore year.

I got a 3 on the Physics C AP exam and then only just, as my class essentially Barry taught any of the actual material, and the stuff they did teach wasn’t taught well. It’s a good thing I didn’t listen to this sort of advice back then or I may never have earned my engineering degree(s).

Not all AP courses are acceptable substitutes for their college equivalents (and I’d argue they more often are not). Even if you struggle in the high school version, you can still do fine in the college version; after all, you will be another year older and more mature, plus this time around you will have seen at least some of the material before.

My dad went to MIT a thousand years ago from a town in a rural state that was so small it alternated geometry and algebra II yearly. Not only did he not have any calculus, he hadn’t taken algebra II. He got his a** kicked for a while, but he caught up, made it through and ended up with a MIT MS too. As Wayne Gretsky was fond of saying, “you miss 100% of the shots you don’t take.”

Interesting example in post 22. In general the philosophy holds. But I think the bar is higher today. Students w/o calculus (if admitted to MIT) would probably have a hard time. And they might not have enough math sampling to know they will like Engineering.

@colorado_mom, I agree, the example couldn’t be repeated today as it happened. Heck, one of his fraternity brothers flunked out and had to go to another school to get his grades up high enough to be re-admitted into MIT. Where did he go? Princeton. :smiley:

Neither situation is really feasible in today’s world, but my dad’s is an allegorical example of success against the odds. The OP is worried about collegiate success based on her HS physics. It’s not a do or die benchmark is all I and others are trying to say.

@rasofia, here’s the Scientific American article that spawned the book @boneh3ad is reading. It covers many of the basics without having to digest a bunch of pages.

http://tguilfoyle.cmswiki.wikispaces.net/file/view/What_works,_What_doesn’t.pdf

Are you set on UT? Do you have other options? Some other universities have First Year Engineering where you learn about the different engineering disciplines before applying to one. I mentioned Industrial Engineering to you in another thread. UT doesn’t offer it, but others do. That’s just one example. You might enjoy something more than mechanical engineering. Just a thought.

Regarding the stress level, talk to some engineering students at UT. Tell them that you want the real scoop, not just the “correct” answers that the ambassadors might want to give. In the course of one day there talking with students, I heard the following words: intense, suffering, stressed, burned out, it takes most of my time, etc. Know what you’re getting into. Then see if you can mitigate some of it. Can you take fewer classes at once and spread the curriculum over 5 years? I know exactly what you mean (too well) about missing out on memories in high school while becoming the valedictorian, and I don’t think it’s healthy to spend all of your time studying, stressing over exams, etc. That might just be me though. This comes from someone who, after college, wanted to go back for an easy major so I could enjoy my college experience.

BTW I understand your stress and your multiple postings. I understand your anxiety. I’ve probably driven everyone crazy with my asking for advice. It’s a big decision, and you need help to hash through this, especially if you don’t have family members, counselors, etc. that can effectively help.

Oh, I forgot to mention that our UT recruiter said to be careful about the major you pick at UT. Whatever you pick, you will need to be happy in it for at least a year. According to her, changing majors is not easy at UT. For that reason, you might consider your other university options.

@Commiserating Thank you so much. I really appreciate your comment and your understanding. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I wish I could go a few years into the future and ask myself what major I should choose my freshman year. I honestly just don’t have a clue what to do or what I could see myself as in the future. It’s scary at this point.

@eyemgh Thank you so much for your input!!

Thanks to all of you above. I really, truly appreciate it.

My s’s are both engineers. The Rice grad is a mechE and the other is a ChemE. They both happen to be doing the same thing, job wise, in Silicon Valley. BTW, both changed their majors (INTO engineering from other majors) so changing your major is common. Relax!

@jym626 Would it be too much to ask about your ME son at Rice? Just the overall picture…why he chose Rice (was he deciding between other schools), how is his experience there (students/friends/professors/events/social life/ study life, etc.) I just want to know how he feels at Rice, basically.

Also, thank YOU so much for all of your answers since my very first Val thread I posted earlier. You have been of TREMENDOUS help. Thank you.

He LOVED, LOVED LOVED Rice!! Turned down Ga Tech in a heartbeat for it. He was a bit shy, and not interested in Rah Rah sports or Greek life. The support, family feel and and intimacy of the Residential college system was perfect for him. And he was a serious student, meaning he likes to have fun, but he wasn’t a big partier, and enjoyed intellectual discussions as much as the silliness as Night of Decadence or as much as the Improv comedy group. The HUGE schools did not appeal to him. You think you will see your friends but in a campus the size of Austin you will not. Its easy to get lost in the madding crowd. You can fit the entire undergrad population of Rice in one of the Freshman dorms at UT.
He much preferred smaller classes, personal relationships with faculty, and the incredible opportunities there. I cannot say enough good things about Rice. He had a significant medical issue during his junior year and the Masters (house parents) were hugely helpful, as was the fact that the massive medical centers were right across the street. That was a huge help. And despite the major medical challenges, he had the assistance and support of friends and the House Masters, and he had his most academically successful semester ( and he was an engineering major with an overall graduating GPA of 3.75)

He started out as a physics major but decided he was tired of problem sets, so changed INTO engineering his soph. year, He still graduated in 4 years, had 2 fabulous and extremely well paying internships in the summers (the internship opportunities and placement services were fabulous).

He knew no one when he first went, though discovered that a friend from a summer program at Duke was in his Res College, and they have remained good friends. He got involved in student government, EWB (Engineers without Borders) - traveled with them to South America, and lots of other things. He traveled to France with his senior project team. He got involved with the entrepreneurial program (I forget the name) and worked closely with business leaders and developers in the area. He got involved in local politics. He was acknowledged for being a top engineering student with departmental scholarships in , IIRC, his junior and Senior years. Rice a place to try lots of things and be uniformly accepted for who you are. He just returned to Houston to attend the wedding of one of his buddies/former roommates. There is a core group of Mech Es that have stayed close and get together annually.

To be completely honest, looking from the outside, Rice is a more “prestigious” school (if that matters) than UT- Austin, and the Trustee scholarship will open doors for you. As an aside, he (and several of his Rice friends) are now in Silicon Valley. At his current place of employment he went through 9 interviews. The final interview was from someone in a different department… but who happened to be a Rice Mech E grad. That probably didnt hurt.

I know you think UT is the cats’ meow, as they say, but personally, I think you will get far more individual attention and opportunities at Rice. Be open minded when you return for a visit. Personally, I think you’d be foolish for turning down this INCREDIBLE opportunity. And if you dont like it, you can afford to transfer to UT. You will not have the opportunity to do the reverse.

And @rasofia ,
Thanks for the kind words. Do give Rice a fair chance. You will NOT be disappointed.

@jym626 Thank you so much!! It’s really of huge help to know about former/current student’s experiences at Rice. Rice is perfect, something I knew from the day I stepped on the campus. But again, as perfect as a school may be, it might not be perfect for certain people. For instance, my friend told me that her cousin went to Rice and fell into a depression because she had no close friends or family around & that really affected her. Plus, she thought Rice was “too quiet,” which I could understand when you compare it to a huge and busy school atmosphere like that of UT.
Some people also just don’t like being in a school that small, but rather enjoy being the “small fish in a big pond.” It all comes down to the person’s preferences, which is what I’m trying to figure out. I will definitely re-visit and have a talk with Engineering students/faculty. Although I shouldn’t be, I’m scared that I might change my mind. It’s all just scary…I’ve been with the same people, my family and friends, in the same home, for 18 years…it’s scary to just leave and start a new life.

Thank you again. I really, really appreciate it!!!

@rasofia,
You can’t base your decision on someone else’s experience. Someone developing depression might have had adjustment problems no matter where they went to school. Many people today are very frightened of the safety on UT Austin’s campus with the murder of that freshman girl just the other day. Its all over the news. And very troublesome.
Form everything you have written, you are clearly convinced you need to go to Austin. Thats fine, and your choice. as long as you can afford it.

@jym626 Yeah I saw that…pretty scary and shocking, to say the least.
Also, I will definitely visit Rice again and see how I feel about it a third time.
Thank you again for your time and responses. It means a lot, honestly.