Should I Winter ED at Swat and other questions

<p>Hi everybody!
So, I'm an international applicant and I prefer Swat for it's academic course rigor and small class sizes among other things. Now the thing is, I'm not sure if I'd fit in there, so I'm hoping you can shed some light on this?
1)My main inhibitions are about diversity.
Swat doesn't seem to have a big international population at all! And on top of that, there seems to be no student from my country (India) attending atm. How would you rate the comfort level of International students on campus?
2) I do like the sound of small classes(I've been in some in school and liked them too). But I've been used to large ones mainly and I'm worried if a small student body might not suit me? I'm afraid the campus might get (although it's beautiful!) stifling at times?
3)How would you rate the professors at Swat? Are the science courses more theoretical or more research oriented?
4)How easily can you commute to the city? Do students generally hop off to the city on weekends?
5)How good is Swat for Internships and study abroad? From what I noticed on the website, you seem to have a preference to France and not much else in terms of study abroad?</p>

<p>Since I'm an International applying for aid, I think it would be most sensible for me to Winter ED. However, the above inhibitions are holding me back. Apart from them, I'm sure that Swat would be great for me! Any advice would be welcome!
Thanks! :)</p>

<p>1) There might not be a lot of people from India, but there are definitely many Indians that do attend Swarthmore!</p>

<p>I’m not sure where you are getting your numbers on internationals at Swarthmore. Swarthmore actually has a very substantial international presence in the student body. They have posted the 2010 factbook online yet, but from the 2009 version, there were 181 students who were either non-US citizens or dual citizens of the US and another country. Out of 1510 students, that’s nearly 12%.</p>

<p>There were 8 from India, third highest from any country, after South Korea and China.</p>

<p>I believe that one of the defining characteristics of Swarthmore is its heavy international focus, a focus that spreads throughout courses and activities in nearly every department on campus. As a group, Swatties have a very international outlook. Lots of international travel. Lots of study abroad. Lots of summer internships overseas. Extracurriculars include War News Radio reporting on Iraq and Afghanistan, student health clinics in Peru, etc.</p>

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<p>Swarthmore has operated a study abroad program in France for many years, but it’s certainly not a focus for Swarthmore study abroad. In a typical semester, 80+ Swatties are abroad. Only about a half dozen of those are in the program in France. Swarthmore has one of the most varied and best array of study abroad programs – hundreds of them – and students travel to the far corners of the world. For example, my Swarthmore daughter spent a month or more in Buenos Aires, Beijing/Shanghai, and Bangalore on her Swarthmore study abroad program. Here’s the full list of approved programs, by country:</p>

<p>[Swarthmore</a> College - Programs in Non-English speaking countries](<a href=“http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/ofs/planning/nonenglishspeaking.html]Swarthmore”>http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/ofs/planning/nonenglishspeaking.html)
[Swarthmore</a> College - Programs in English speaking countries](<a href=“http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/ofs/planning/englishspeakingworld.html]Swarthmore”>http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/ofs/planning/englishspeakingworld.html)</p>

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<p>Getting to and from the city is very easy. There is a train station right in the middle of campus. It’s 11 miles (about 25 minutes) to the center of Philadelphia. It is also very close to the international airport in Philadelphia, which can also be reached – door to door – by train. Or by shuttle van, or by students sharing a cab (about a 20 minute ride). You can also reach New York City by train – about a 2 hour trip. Now, to be honest, most students are so engaged in campus activities that most Swatties don’t go to the city as often as they probably should, but that varies</p>

<p>interesteddad- A Swat adcom visited my city recently and he handed me this sheet with all the numbers. Apparently Class of 2014 has 56 enrolling Int’l students (including dual) and there is a list of the countries they’re from. The list also had the number of students from each country. Anyway, it did not have India at all!
But the funny thing is, India was seventh in a bar graph for top 10 countries for int’l students. This confused me.</p>

<p>Thank you for sharing the other information with me! I’m very glad to know about their study abroad opportunities! What would be your opinion on internships?</p>

<p>I was wondering if you could share something about the weather?
Coming from a tropical country, harsh winters would be tough for me. How harsh do you rate winter at Swat? And how would you compare it to say New Hampshire? How long does winter last?</p>

<p>[Climatology</a> Comparison for Swarthmore, PA (19081) - weather.com](<a href=“http://imwx.com/weather/wxclimatology/compare/19081]Climatology”>http://imwx.com/weather/wxclimatology/compare/19081)</p>

<p>I forgot to post the link for citizenship of Swarthmore students. This is data from last year:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/ir/citznations.pdf[/url]”>http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/ir/citznations.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>All of the statistical data you could ever want is available in the on-line factbook:</p>

<p>[Swarthmore</a> College :: Institutional Research :: Fact Book](<a href=“http://www.swarthmore.edu/factbook.xml]Swarthmore”>Fact Book :: Institutional Effectiveness, Research & Assessment :: Swarthmore College)</p>

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<p>Philadelphia winters aren’t anything like New Hampshire. You are likely to get one or two good snowstorms a year and that’s about it. Pretty mild climate. Not tropical, of course.</p>

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<li>I find your claim about diversity to be rather contradictory. Swat isn’t diverse enough because it contains smaller amounts of people from various backgrounds as opposed to a larger number of people from one background? It’s a small school. If you want more international kids look into a larger school. I’m not an international student but I know quite a few and they at least appear to be comfortable here. There are a LOT of resources for international students here (i’m not sure how they compare to other institutions). If you’re curious about the Indian presence on campus you should look check out Deshi.</li>
<li>There’s a difference between having small classes and having a small student body (i.e. academic vs. social atmospheres) If you’re worried about a liberal-arts college being too stifling then it’s not going to be just Swat that raises some concerns. Most people are here because they want the benefits that usually come with a small student body – here, the smaller the classes are, the happier that students are. It means you get to talk more, you get to flesh ideas out more, you get to know your classmates and their ideas, the professors know you (and when you’re absent…). Yes, a campus of 1,500 people will seem stifling at times – but regardless, there’s no way you’re going to know every person. There are always new people to meet and if you want to escape you can head on over to Haverford, Bryn Mawr or Philly. </li>
<li>I don’t know enough to comment on our science courses. There are fantastic professors and there are some crappy professors. That’s pretty much how it’s going to be everywhere. Swarthmore isn’t perfect but when it comes to academics we’re pretty high up there. The professors that I’ve had so far have been scarily intelligent and very personable. </li>
<li>There’s a shuttle to the city that runs on weekends or you can take the train which is about a 25 minute ride. Students go into the city on weekends; not every weekend and not every student though.</li>
<li>Swat doesn’t have a preference for France. It has a preference for France (Grenoble), Ghana, Czech Republic, Poland, Costa Rica, Buenos Aires and Northern Island. This is because these are the programs that Swat itself runs. Different colleges run different programs. If you want to go somewhere you find a program and you do that instead. </li>
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<p>A lot of the assumptions that you’re making aren’t solely applicable to Swat if not most liberal-arts colleges in the US. If you don’t want a small school Swat isn’t the right place for you.</p>

<p>Also, you should really learn how to find accurate sources because clearly the few numbers you have are way off.</p>

<p>I try to cut international kids a little bit of a break in asking questions about US schools. I’m guessing that, if I tried to research Indian schools on-line, I would probably ask some wide-of-the-mark questions. Lot of credit to any kid looking to pack up and move halfway around the world to start freshman year.</p>

<p>Agreed, interesteddad. We did it…but not nearly so far and to a much more familiar setting and that was difficult enough. My son has vowed to take Spanish when he moves back to the U.S. for college because he wants to be as able to bridge the gap for America’s fastest-growing population as readily as he wishes more of our hosts here were able to do.</p>

<p>It’s difficult enough doing things like selling my car on-line, helping my 6th grader with math (which, amazingly enough, they do differently!) and trying to return a present at a store.</p>

<p>When I go to the pharmacist and ask for Sudafed, I end up saying it about 5 or 6 times, altering the inflection and changing up the vowel pronunciation, until they understand what I want. But only after giving me a cross-eyed look like I’m an idiot.</p>

<p>The mechanic thinks I’m a total moron…and I can hardly blame him because I’m sure that I leave that impression. And it’s not just language. There are cultural miscues galore. They count floors of buildings beginning at 0, not 1. People with just one or two items get to skip ahead of you in the checkout line at the grocery and you’d be rude to object. If you catch someone’s eye as they look at you, they don’t smile uncomfortably and look away – they keep looking at you directly instead. The worst is how they assume you’ll stop, on a dime, for pedestrians whenever they step in front of your vehicle. I’m honestly surprised that my number of registered kills hasn’t reached double-digits by now.</p>

<p>Oh, and then, to top it all off, there are all the stupid things you do simply because your brain is so fried while trying to make the linguistic and cultural shifts – like not finding your car in a parking garage because you’re on the wrong level. Never happened to me in the U.S.; happened twice to me since moving abroad. I tend to send people unsigned checks because the checks here don’t have a line for signatures. And…so grateful am I to have completed my shopping (which is incredibly stressful because of all the information that has to be processed far more deliberately when doing it in unfamiliar territory, with different brands and different labels and different store layouts, etc.) that I have a habit of leaving my wallet at the register as I drive off thinking my excursion was a success. Oh, and my most recent grocery store receipt says that I have accumulated 6,500 Happy…but I don’t know how to redeem my Happy. And that makes me sad. Yes, the solution is simple: just ask someone. But I think I’ve made it clear that there are enough stressors during my shopping trips already.</p>

<p>Sometimes, at the end of a tough day, I feel like going up to the rooftop and shouting out: “I’m actually not mentally challenged. I have advanced degrees!” but then I realize that I’d probably use a feminine article where a masculine article is called for and the whole point would be lost on my intended audience.</p>

<p>So, shopping for a college abroad? Wow! I feel both empathy and admiration.</p>

<p>perfectpixie, I can’t speak from experience but I can relate to you one factor that my son says appeals to him. He goes to a high school with kids from about 25 different countries. It’s a tiny school and he likes it that way, with good friends from all over the place and not just in his grade. And he thinks Swarthmore delivers that experience better than any other American college he knows of. Not just in terms of international students but in terms of diversity of experiences and backgrounds, too. My own impression is that Swarthmore is not a place where anyone can feel like they’re part of a majority sub-community. I have the sense that pretty much everyone at Swarthmore could feel outnumbered if they chose to identify in that way. So maybe something different is going on. Hopefully some students can speak to that.</p>

<p>I totally relate to the need to make sure there’s a community in place that you can plug into and identify with, just to reinforce the idea that you’re sane and so you can commiserate with all the headaches that come from living abroad. It’s a nice crutch to lean on…but I’ve learned that it can also be a bad habit. I try to resist it as much as possible – though I give in to the temptation too often. If you do find a strong Indian community at the college of your choice, whatever college that may be, try not to lean too heavy on it. For that matter, don’t try to fall in with the mainstream community either. Try to take advantage of the full spectrum of ideas, experiences and wisdom that your cohorts bring to campus from across the globe and even from across the U.S.</p>

<p>And now, having made the point that I can relate to what you’re getting into…forget all of those complaints that I listed above about living abroad. The most memorable, rewarding and amazing experiences for me are the ones that take place outside of the American bubble that many people here try to operate within. Use that Indian group as though it’s the side of a swimming pool: it’s nice to be able to grab hold of, particularly when the water is deep; but it’s much better thought of as something to push off from.</p>

<p>Good luck finding the right place for your college! Bon courage!</p>

<p>Thank you for your help everybody! :slight_smile:
You’ve cleared up a lot of things for me now!</p>

<p>D’yer Maker- Thank you for your advice about not clinging to the Indian community once I am in college. I assure you, I have no intention to do so! I’m not going to America to meet Indians, lol. But I had this ideal vision of performing with other Indians on cultural meets (since I am a dancer) and also they would be a tiny support system. However, my main goal is good academics and that would overrule any other factor. Thank you for your wishes and encouraging words!
Regards,
Pixie</p>

<p>My experience with most of the cultural/ ethnic and religious communities (especially the Indian, Jewish, Christian, Hispanic/ Latino, multiracial, and international) communities at Swarthmore is they provide a sort of family/ cultural space for people that is not necessarily the same as their group of friends. Almost every group of friends is pretty diverse in whatever way you care to talk about, and then people go once a week for an hour, or whatever, to their groups dinner, or to plan for the next campus wide party or event, and so get to know people from that group as well, perhaps even more likely to be people from other years. This is very much different than the experience at bigger universities, where often groups of friends are very divided by race.</p>