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<p>You know who's the modern day Hitler? Ahmadinejad.</p>

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<p>Please Gumball, there is a world of difference between a racist and Hitler. Simply because you're racist does not mean you want to commit genocide. Please don't compare the two, it's a very terrible connection.</p>

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<p>:rolleyes:</p>

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<p>Gumbal, racism and white supremacist are completely different. I never said Bush was evil or some sort of murderous meganomaniac. However, I have heard him speak enough to know that he is racist.</p>

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<p>Racist against whom? Those of color? Or Islam? I'm curious.</p>

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By far the most ignorant uneducated statement so far in this thread. I'd appreciate if you could at least back-up your claims on WHY exactly other than history are those countries "racist" and "fascist." "Had" does not imply "have." On terms of racism and prejudice, the Islamic world in the Middle East is full of them. Your coalition of the unwilling itself, has been ruled by fascist, racist leaders.</p>

<p>We have the Afghan Man, prosecuted for converting to Christianity
<a href="http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-03/2006-03-18-voa7.cfm?CFID=10740042&CFTOKEN=68102473%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-03/2006-03-18-voa7.cfm?CFID=10740042&CFTOKEN=68102473&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Don't forget the severe Islamic System of Iran, and neighboring countries against women.
<a href="http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/601081013.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/601081013.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Last but not least, racism and prejudice against women.
It's in the Koran!
Mohammed asked some women "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826</p>

<p>Mohammed to women: "I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you." Vol. 2:541</p>

<p>Mohammed said **"I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124</p>

<p>"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them... " - Surah 4:34**</p>

<p>(Muslim men like to use that one ^ to justify their use of physical violence againt their wives)</p>

<p>“If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.” - Surah 4:15</p>

<p>Islam considers the wife a sex object: </p>

<p>"your wives are as a tilth (a field to be ploughed) unto you, so approach your tilth when or how ye will " Surah 2:223</p>

<p>"If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven." - Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301 (TR. P 428)</p>

<p>"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." - Surah 4:24</p>

<p>That last one is basically a license to rape.</p>

<p>**“Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. - Tabari IX:113</p>

<p>“Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.’ Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid.” - Tabari I:280</p>

<p>“Ali [Muhammad’s adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ‘Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.’” - Tabari VIII:62/Ishaq:496**</p>

<p>Since the recently-elected Iranian president is one mean mother****er those chicks stand a good chance of having their pretty skulls caved in.</p>

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<p>You want to see racism, go to South Africa and look at the Black government in charge, that is racism, look at how they threat White Africans, but no one cares about the Whites there, no one cares about Whites in general.</p>

<p>As far as I am concern, the leader of Iran is a good leader; he does what is best for his people. Most Western governments (including all of Europe) don’t care about their people at all; they would rather bring in different races and mix their countries into crap then care about their people. </p>

<p>I hate liberals, neo-cons, Marxists, globalists etc, all of them. I would take a fascist leader any day of the week; at least they do what is best for their people. I don’t see why anyone would call Bush a fascist, he is not a fascist in any shape or form, he doesn’t care about Americans, and the only thing he cares about is money (like every other president/politician). They don’t represent the people and never will. </p>

<p>I don’t see how anyone is going to tell the Muslim world what to do. It is their countries and their culture, what seems weird to you might not seem weird to them.</p>

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And the "coalition of the willing" is more of a coalition of the racist. Australia, Italy and Spain had racist and fascist leaders who would rejoice at the sight of a non-christian/non-white person being reduced to servitude.

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<p>Spain and Italy had fascist leaders in the past that tried to do what was good for their people. I hardly see any of those countries now days as racist or fascist. Hell, Australia is trying to change their whole countries demographics to be more "multiracial' and "multicultural." Look at their immigration department (hell it is even called the "Department of Immigration and Multicultural Affairs"). Spain and Italy are becoming more Black and Islamic at a huge rate and their own native population has no growth rate. None of those countries are fascist; fascists wouldn’t allow crap like that. Like I said, not one country cares for White people.</p>

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<p>*** are you talking bout!? Who told you anything bout Prophet Mohammed first of all?!? Your references are garbage, your Quranic quotes are wrong, your argument is baseless, you just assume things...... LOL . Grow up.</p>

<p>Lets compare the Bible with the Koran:</p>

<p>Women were blamed with original sin in Bible....Quran does not blame women for original sin.</p>

<p>You can sell daughters in Bible...but Quran says to free slaves</p>

<p>Quran:
"O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"</p>

<p>Bible:
Leviticus 15:19-30 "And if a woman have an issue (her period/menses), [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness." </p>

<p>Quran:
Men can't have sex with their women during Menses, but they can sleep with them and touch them: "They ask you concerning menstruation. Say: that is an Adha (a harmful thing for a husband to have a sexual intercourse with his wife while she is having her menses), therefore keep away from women during menses and go not unto them till they have purified (from menses and have taken a bath). And when they have purified themselves, then go in unto them as Allah has ordained for you (go in unto them in any manner as long as it is in their vagina). Truly, Allah loves those who turn unto Him in repentance and loves those who purify themselves (by taking a bath and cleaning and washing thoroughly their private parts, bodies, for their prayers, etc.). (The Noble Quran, 2:222)" </p>

<p>Maimuna (the wife of the Holy Prophet) reported: "The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) **contacted and embraced his wives over the waist-wrapper when they were menstruating. <a href="Translation%20of%20Sahih%20Muslim,%20The%20Book%20of%20Menstruation%20(Kitab%20Al-Haid),%20Book%20003,%20Number%200579">/b</a>" </p>

<p>ISSUE- DAUGHTERS</p>

<p>Bible:</p>

<p>In the Roman Catholic Bible: "....and the **birth of ANY daughter is a loss. <a href="From%20the%20New%20Jerusalem%20Bible,%20Ecclesiasticus%2022:3">/b</a>" </p>

<p>Islam:</p>

<p>"When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! With shame does he hide himself from his people, Because of the bad news He has had! Shall he retain it On (sufferance and) contempt, Or bury it in the dust? A**h! what an evil (choice) They decide on? <a href="The%20Noble%20Quran,%2016:58-59">/b</a>"</p>

<p>The Prophet peace be upon him said: Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: "The Prophet (peace<em>be</em>upon_him) said: **If anyone cares for three daughters , disciplines them, marries them, and does good to them, he will go to Paradise.<a href="Translation%20of%20Sunan%20abu%20Dawud,%20Book%2041,%20General%20Behavior%20(Kitab%20Al-Adab),%20Number%205128">/b</a>"</p>

<p>So what is better treatment to women massimo? not touching her while she's on her period bcos she's 'dirsty' and eerything she touches is dirty...or being able to have contact with a women and what she touches is not dirty? </p>

<p>FEMALE INHERITANCE:</p>

<p>Female inheritance</p>

<p>One of the most important differences between the Quran and the Bible is their attitude towards female inheritance of the property of a deceased relative. *According to Numbers 27:1-11, widows and sisters don't inherit at all. Daughters can inherit only if their deceased father had no sons. * Otherwise the sons receive the entire inheritance. Among the pagan Arabs before Islam, inheritance rights were confined exclusively to the male relatives. *The Quran abolished all these unjust customs and gave all the female relatives their just share (4:7,11,12,176). *</p>

<p>ISLAM: Women can talk in the mosque. </p>

<p>**CHRISTIANITY: -" It is a shame for women to talk in the church." <a href="1%20CORINTHIANS%2014:34-35">/b</a> </p>

<p>If females cannot talk, then how are they supposed to learn? Again, it is obvious that Islam gives the female a higher status than the bible does. </p>

<p>ISLAM: *Cannot SELL your daughter. *</p>

<p>CHRISTIANITY: You can sell your daughter (EXODUS 21:7)
If a man sells his daughter to be a female servant, she shall not go out as the male servants do</p>

<p>ISLAM: Islam gives religious freedom to worship God, see Apostates in Islam for the proof. </p>

<p>CHRISTIANITY: Do not PITY the apostate <a href="someone%20who%20leaves%20his%20religion">/b</a>, **KILL HIM (DEUTERONOMY 13:8,9)</p>

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<p>Islam on infidels</p>

<p>"Oh our Lord! .... Thou art our protector: give us victory therefore over the infidel nations." Sura 2:286</p>

<p>"Nor did we ever send a prophet to any city without afflicting its people with adversity and trouble, that haply they might humble them." Sura 7:92</p>

<p>"Is it not proved to those who inherit this land after its ancient occupants, that if we please we can smite them for their sins, and put a seal upon their hearts, that they hearken not? Sura 7:98</p>

<p>"Said Pharaoh, 'Have ye believed on him, ere I have given you leave? this truly is a plot which ye have plotted in this my city, in order to drive out its people. But ye shall see in the end what shall happen
I will surely cut off your hands and feet on opposite sides; then will I have you all crucified."Sura 7:120-121</p>

<p>"'We have been oppressed,' they said, 'before thou camest to us, and since thou has been with us:' 'Perhaps,' said he, 'your Lord will destroy your enemey, and will make you his successors in the land, and He will see how ye will act therein."Sura 7:126</p>

<p>"Already had we chastised the people of Pharaoh with dearth and scarcity of fruits, that haply they might take warning:" Sura 7:127</p>

<p>"And we have divided them upon the Earth as peoples: some of them are upright and some are otherwise; and by good things and by evil things have we proved them, to the intent that they might return to us." Sura 7:167</p>

<p>" ... but God purposed to prove true the truth of his words, and to cut off the uttermost part of the infidels." Sura 8:07</p>

<p>"When thy Lord spake unto the angels, 'I will be with you: therefore stablish ye the faithful. I will cast a dread into the hearts of the infidels.' Strike off their heads then, and strike off from them every finger tip." - Sura 8:12</p>

<p>"And the infidels shall be gathered into Hell,
That God may separate the bad from the good, and put the bad one upon the other, and heap them all up and put them into Hell!" Sura 8:37-38</p>

<p>Say to the infidels: If they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven them, but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's" - Sura 8:39-40</p>

<p>"And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is Gracious, Merciful." Sura 9:5</p>

<p>"Yet if they turn to God and observe prayer, and pay the impost, then are they your brethren in religion. We make clear our signs to those who understand."
"But if, after alliance made, they break their oaths and revile your religion, then do battle with the ring-leaders of infidelity - for no oaths are binding with them - that they may desist." Sura 9:11-12</p>

<p>"O Believers! make not friends of your fathers or your brethren if they love unbelief above faith: and whoso of you shall make them his friends, will be wrong doers." Sura 9:23</p>

<p>"Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled." Sura 9:29</p>

<p>"The Jews say, 'Esra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God.' Such the saying in their mouths! They resemble the saying of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!" Sura 9:31</p>

<p>"Verily, of the faithful hath God brought their persons and their substance, on condition of Paradise for them in return: on the path of God shall they fight, and slay, and be slain: a promise for this is pledged in the Law, and in the Evangel, and in the Koran-and who more faithful to his engagement than God? Rejoice, therefore, in the contract that ye have contracted: for this shall be the great bliss." -Sura 9:112</p>

<p>"Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him." Sura 9:124</p>

<p>"Say: Verily, they who devise this lie concerning God shall fare ill.
A portion have they in this world! Then to us they return! Then make we them to taste the vehement torment, for that they were unbeleivers." Sura 10:70-71</p>

<p>"And most of them believe not in God, without also joining other deities with Him." Sura 12:106</p>

<p>"And the THUNDER uttereth his praise, and the Angels also, for awe of Him: and he sendeth his bolts and smiteth whith them whom he will, while they are wrangling about God! Mighty is he in prowess." Sura 13:14</p>

<p>"We never destroyed a city whose term was not perfixed:
No people can forestall or retard its destiny." Sura 15:4-5</p>

<p>"For his own good only shall the guided yield to guidance, and to his own loss only shall the erring err; and the heavy laden shall not be laden with another's load. We never punished until we had first sent an apostle." Sura 17:16</p>

<p>"When a misfortune befalleth you out at sea, they whom ye invoke are not to be found: God alone is there: yet when he bringeth you safe to dry land, ye place yourselves at a distance from Him. Ungrateful is man." Sura 17:69</p>

<p>"What! are ye sure, then, that he will not cleave the sides of the earth for you? or that he will not send against you a whirlwind charged with sands? Then shall ye find no protector." Sura 17:70</p>

<p>"Said Pharaoh, 'Believe ye on him ere I give you leave? He in sooth is your Master who hath taught you magic. I will therefore cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and I will crucify you on trunks of the palm, and assuredly shall ye learn which of us is severest in punishing, and who is the more abiding." Sura 19: 74</p>

<p>"Yet if a breath of thy Lord's chastisement touch them, they will assuredly say, "Oh! woe to us! we have indeed been offenders.'" Sura 21:47</p>

<p>"These, the Faithful and the Infidels, are the two disputants who dispute concerning their Lord: but for those who have disbelieved, garments of fire shall be cut out; the boiling water shall be poured down upon their heads."
"All that is in their bowels, and their skins, shall be dissolved: and there are maces of iron for them!"Sura 22:20-21</p>

<p>"And how many cities which had been ungodly, and whose roofs are now laid low in ruin, have We destroyed! And wells have been abandoned and lofty castles!" - Sura 22:44</p>

<p>"And we said, 'Go ye to the people who treat our signs as lies.' And them destroyed we with utter destruction." Sura 25:38</p>

<p>"When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till yet have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast and the fetters." Sura 47:4</p>

<p>Islam on Jihad</p>

<p>"Verily, we will inherit the earth and all who are upon it. To us shall they be brought back." Sura 19:41</p>

<p>"Give not way therefore to the Infidels, but by means of this Koran strive against them with a mighty strife." Sura25:54</p>

<p>... "And whoso fight for the cause of God, their works he will not suffer to miscarry; ... "Sura 47:5</p>

<p>Why Muslims targetted the World Trade Center</p>

<p>"And when we willed to destroy a city, to its affluent ones did we address our bidding: but when they acted criminally therein, just was its doom, and we destroyed it with an utter destruction" - Sura 17:17</p>

<p>""We will not burden a soul beyond its power: and with us is a book, which speaketh the truth; and they shall not be wronged:
But as to this Book, their hearts are plunged in error, and their works are far other than those of Muslims, and they will work those works,
Until when we lay hold on their affluent ones with punishment; lo! they cry for help:"Sura 23:64-66</p>

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<p>Islam on free will and predestination</p>

<p>"The unjustly proud ones of the earth will I turn away from my signs; for even if they see very sign they will not believe them." Sura 7:143</p>

<p>"He whom God guideth is the guided, and they whom he misleadeth shall be the lost." Sura 7:177</p>

<p>"No soul can believe but by the permission of God: and he shall lay his wrath on those who will not understand." - Sura 10:100</p>

<p>"Had they Lord pleased he would have made mankind of one religion: but those only to whom thy Lord hath granted his mercy will cease to differ. And unto this hath He created them; for the word of they Lord shall be fulfilled, 'I will wholly fill hell with djinn and men.'" Sura 11:120</p>

<p>"And they who believe not say, 'Unless a sign be sent down to him from his Lord ...' SAY: God truly will mislead whom he will; and He will guide to Himself him who turneth to Him, Sura 13:27</p>

<p>"Had God pleased, He could have made you one people: but He causeth whom He will to err, and whom He will He guideth: and ye shall assuredly be called to account for your doings." Sura 16:95</p>

<p>"These are they whose hearts and ears and eyes God hath sealed up: these are the careless ones: in the next world shall they perish beyond a doubt." Sura 16:110</p>

<p>Islam on loving life and on success</p>

<p>"These are they who purchase this present life at the price of that which is to come: their torment shall not be lightened, neither shall they be helped." Sura 2:80</p>

<p>"Let not prosperity in the land on part of those who believe not, deceive thee. Tis but a brief enjoyment. Then shall Hell be their abode, and wretched the bed!" Sura 3:196</p>

<p>"... What! prefer ye the life of this world to the next? But the fruition of this mundane life, in respect of that which is to come, is but little." Sura 9:38</p>

<p>"Let not, therefore, their riches or their children amaze thee. God is only minded to punish them by these, in this life present, and that their souls may depart while they are unbelievers." Sura 9:54</p>

<p>"... "O men! assuredly your self-injuring excess is only an enjoyment of this life present: soon ye return to us: and we will let you know what ye have done!
Verily, this present life is like the water which we send down from Heaven, and the produce of the earth, of which men and cattle eat, is mingled with it, till the earth hath received its golden raiment, and is decked out: and they who dwell on it by night or by day, and we make it as if it had been mown, as if it had not teemed only yesterday! Thus make we our signs clear to those who consider." Sura 10: 24-25</p>

<p>"This, because they have loved this present life, beyond the next, and because God guideth not the unbelievers!" Sura 16:109</p>

<p>Islam on Skeptics</p>

<p>"And when ye said, 'O Moses! we will not believe thee until we see God plainly;' the thunderbolt fell upon you while ye were looking on:" Sura 2:52</p>

<p>"SAY: If the future dwelling place with God be specially for you, but not for the rest of mankind, then wish for death, if ye are sincere." Sura 2:88</p>

<p>"Have they taken other gods beside Him? SAY: Bring forth your proofs that they are gods." Sura 21:24</p>

<p>Islam on Christian fables</p>

<p>"And it was revealed unto Noah. Verily, none of thy people shall believe, save they who have believed already; therefore be not thou grieved at their doings. But build the Ark under our eye and after our revelation: and plead not with me for the evil doers, for they are to be drowned."- Sura 11:38-39</p>

<p>Islam on Women</p>

<p>"It is not permitted thee to take other wives hereafter, nor to change they present wives for other women, though their beauty charm thee, except slaves whom thy right hand shall possess. And God watcheth all things." Sura 33:52</p>

<p>"And we said, 'Take in thine hand a rod and strike15 with it, nor break thine oath.' Verily, we found him patient!" - Sura 38:43 NOTE 15 IN SURA 38: "Thy wife; - on whom he had sworn that he would inflict an hundred blows, because she had absented herself from him when in need of her assistance, or for her words (Job ii.9). The oath was kept, we are told, by his giving her one blow with a rod of a hundred stalks. This passage is often quoted by the Muslims as authorising any similar manner of release from an oath inconsiderately taken."</p>

<p>Promises in the Muslim Heaven (for Men)</p>

<p>"This is a monition: and verily, the pious shall have a goodly retreat:
Gardens of Eden, whose portals shall stand open to them:
Therein reclining, they shall there call for many a fruit and drink:
And with them shall be virgins of their own age, with modest retiring glances."-Sura 38:49-54</p>

<p>"Whatever they shall desire, awaiteth them with their Lord! This is the reward of the righteous;
That God may do away with the guilt of their worst actions, and for their best actions render them their reward." Sura 39:35-36 "But the pious shall be in a secure place,
Amid gardens and fountains,
Clothed in silk and richest robes, facing one another:
Thus shall it be: and we will wed them to the virgins with large dark eyes." Sura 44: 51-54</p>

<p>The Day of Doom</p>

<p>"There is no city which we will not destroy before the day of Resurrection, or chastise it with a grievous chastisement. This is written in the Book."Sura 17:60</p>

<p>Some of the most benevolant verses you will find in the Koran</p>

<p>"Neither slay any one whom God hath forbidden you to slay, unless for a just cause: and whosoever shall be slain wrongfully, to his heir have we given powers; but let him not outstep bounds in putting the manslayer to death, for he too, in his turn, will be assisted and avenged." - Sura 17:35</p>

<p>Miscellaneous</p>

<p>"We will punish those who foster divisions,
Who break up the Koran into parts." Sura 15:90-91</p>

<p>"God is rich enough to dispense with all creatures." Sura 29:4</p>

<p>"... This book is no other than a warning and a clear Koran,
To warn whoever liveth; and, that against the Infidels sentence may be justly given." Sura 36:69</p>

<p>"WE have made this Koran easy for thee in thine own tongue, that they may take the warning.
Therefore wait thou, for they are waiting." Sura 44:58-59</p>

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<p>LOL, quit diverting the argument. I have proven that the Quran is superior to the Bible when it comes to women's rights.</p>

<p>I can equally quote all the problems out of the Bible, but as a Muslim I'd rather be the civilized one out of us.</p>

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<p>Boy have we gone off topic</p>

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<p>As an atheist, I think both books are rephrensible books of hatred that have caused more damage to our world than any other two books in the world. The Bible and Koran should be burned.</p>

<p>Oh, and on topic: No. Iran should not have nuclear power.</p>

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<p>Idk about the books being burned......it's the people that tarnish their own religion. I understand how you fell, honestly. It's just that people with limited brain cells like Gumball who tick me off.</p>

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<p>Christianity had its dark spot - from the Dark Ages through the end of the Inquisition and into Salem and the New World. However, the major part ended when Thomas Aquinas brought reason to the church and they evolved. Islam has had no Thomas Aquinas. Ijtihad has been ended and as such, Islam is stuck in the 1200s and 1300s. Theo van Gogh was right, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a former Muslim, is definitely right.</p>

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<p>Islam had its own Thomas Aquinas -- the brilliant Muslim theologian Averroes (Ibn Rushd). There was once a time Islam was the most advanced civilization in the world --- and most historians agree. Islam had many scholars such as Ibn Khaldum who made numerous contributions in various scholarships. Is it a coincidence that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world as well as in America and Europe? </p>

<p>And since you're atheist, here's something for you to ponder -- "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."</p>

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<p>Islam has had scholars, but no one to bring it out of the Dark Ages of killing infidels, shunning the flesh, and oppressing others. Almost all Islamic governments are oppressive states, Theo van Gogh was brutally murdered, Salman Rushdie was threatened, Ayaan Hirsi Ali has been threatened, etc.</p>

<p>Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, this is true. However, I have seen no conclusive proof of a God. The burden of proof is never on the negative, but always on the affirmative.</p>

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<p>Islam was never in the Dark Ages in the sense the Christians were before the Renaissance. Also, I believe you are exaggerating the oppression part. Jews took shelter in Muslim Empire when the Catholics were set on persecuting them. </p>

<p>What you have said is right (in the second paragraph). However, you also have the burden of disproving God. Just like Coppernicus disproved the idea that the sun revolved around the earth.</p>

<p>I think we went way off topic. Our discussion can be continued in some other appropriate thread.</p>

<p>Peace.</p>

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<p>I agree 100%.</p>

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*** are you talking bout!? Who told you anything bout Prophet Mohammed first of all?!? Your references are garbage, your Quranic quotes are wrong, your argument is baseless, you just assume things...... LOL . Grow up.

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I use the Qu'ran soley as my proof. It's in the Quran.(have you read it?)
Though, I'm afraid you haven't, so sorry if this stings a bit.</p>

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I have proven that the Quran is superior to the Bible when it comes to women's rights.

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Nope. Sorry to burst your narrow-minded bubble but it IS Islam, mysoginy is hard-wired into the faith. Women are not viewed as being equal to men in Islam, old Mo himself was a real hard-arse when it came to women.
In fact, here are a few less well-known Quranic excerpts:</p>

<p>**"Strike terror (into the hearts of) the enemies of Allah and your enemies." Surah 8:60</p>

<p>"Fight (kill) them (non Muslims) and Allah will punish (torment) them by your hands, cover them with shame." Surah 9:14</p>

<p>"I have been made victorious with terror" Bukhari 4:52:220</p>

<p>"O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end." - Surah 9:73</p>

<p>"I will instil terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them. It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah." Surah 8:12-17</p>

<p>"O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers...let them find firmness (harshness) in you and know that Allah is with those who fear Him." Surah 9:123</p>

<p>"Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter." - Surah 2:191</p>

<p>"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." - Surah 2:216</p>

<p>"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." - Surah 4:103</p>

<p>"Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another." - Surah 48:25**</p>

<p>Here's what they are told to think about us:</p>

<p>**"Allah is an enemy to unbelievers." - Surah 2:98</p>

<p>"On unbelievers is the curse of Allah." - Surah 2:161</p>

<p>"Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell." - Surah 33:60</p>

<p>"Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell." - Surah 41:14</p>

<p>"No Muslim should be killed for killing a Kafir" (infidel). Vol. 9:50</p>

<p>"Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers." - Surah 9:2-3</p>

<p>"O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people." - Surah 5:54</p>

<p>"The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews & Christians) and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." - Surah 98:51**</p>

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<p>OK Gumball, what's your point about Iran and nuclear weapons?</p>