Siblings and college admissions-advice?

<p>Hi, I'm new on this forum and and hoping for some advice. Our older daughter is a freshman in college. She applied to my husband's and my alma mater and didn't get in. She's now enrolled at a great school, albeit not quite so high profile. Now our younger daughter is getting ready to start the process. On paper at least, I think she probably has a better chance of getting into our alma mater. Also, the financial aid package would probably be much better for us there than at comparable schools. But we're sensitive to our other daughter's feelings -- she was pretty devastated when she didn't make the cut. </p>

<p>I can't imagine this situation is unusual. Has anyone else been through this? How do you encourage the younger child to also shoot for the moon without seeming to rub the older one's nose in it? I don't want them to feel lifelong resentment for each other.</p>

<p>You can tell them that they are not competing with each other. It’s a different time, a different class.</p>

<p>It must be more complicated for twins (and their parents), but most get over it, I bet…</p>

<p>If daughter #2 really WANTS to go to your alma mater then she ought to apply. It wouldn’t be fair to her if you said no just to protect the feelings of her sister. I didn’t get the sense that daughter #2 seemed set on it though.</p>

<p>BUT, one way to tackle this issue with the older daughter is to ask for her help and advice and lessons learned to make her sister a better candidate. That way sister #1 can take some credit and have some stake in sister #2 admissions success.</p>

<p>My older son has been mentoring my younger son a lot lately. Granted, there is a bit of bossiness in his mentoring but mostly it is really helpful. My younger son is going to benefit from his brothers experience and advice on which classes to take when and what ECs etc would be helpful. My younger son may take or leave the advice, but it is helpful. If son #2 gets into a great school his brother is sure to take credit for it (much to the disgust of his younger brother) and feel less jealous.</p>

<p>It would be grossly unfair to not allow DD2 to have the best she can get to spare her sister’s feelings. I would emphasize to DD1 that what defines her is not her stats and that the sibs, like all, have different strengths.</p>

<p>Happens all of the time. It was really a hurtful situation for a close friend of mine whose oldest son did not get into parent’s alma mater with terrific profile. His problem was a gpa below the threshhold as he was going to a private school that does not weight and has a steep curve. His brother with lower SATs but a higher gpa from their public school (he was not accepted to the private that his brother attended, ironically) was admitted several years later. It’s just one of those danged things in life. What if the younger does not get into the school where the older is accepted? When you are dealing with this admissions process, it is important for everyone to understand that there are random factors that come to play in the decisions. If you take too much of it too seriously, you will get hurt feelings.</p>

<p>It’s interesting to think how far you could take something like this. The competition down the road could turn out for jobs, houses, husbands, etc. Right down to their kids.</p>

<p>I think it would be a mistake to hold back D2 and her wants & needs, based on the precedent D1 has set.</p>

<p>They should be treated individually, each according to her own needs and wants.</p>

<p>I agree with everyone else. Let D2 apply and just go from there. Is D1 happy at her school? If so ,by this time she is prob. so invested in her own school that she wouldn’t care that much where D2 goes.</p>

<p>We have the opposite at our house. S1 is at one of our big state u’s with the added bonus of merit scholarships. It is DH’s alma mater. S2 grades/stats were not good enough for the big state u. He would have liked to go there too but knew that applying would be a waste because he honestly had no chance. He is now at a smaller directional state u. He loves it there and says he wouldn’t go to S1’s school now if they begged him,lol.</p>

<p>Have your daughters discussed the situation with each other? With my own older children, I find that I sometimes needlessly fret about problems that have already been resolved because the kids amicably talked it out among themselves.</p>

<p>Wow, such great advice already, thanks! Just to clarify, it was never our intention to discourage D2 from applying. It was more about how to position it with D1 so hurt feelings are minimized. This gives me a good starting place. I appreciate how active this forum is.</p>

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<p>Been known to happen. Siblings sometimes compete with each other endlessly and by proxy through their kids regardless of where they each went to school.</p>

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<p>You could position it as an automatic deal - Win or lose, no matter what their stats, each kid gets to take a shot at getting into (legacy school). The chips will fall where they may, but every kid in the family is entitled to try for that school.</p>

<p>We have triplets who are freshmen in college at three different schools. They are all strong students who had strong (but not equal) stats. They did not apply to all of the same schools, but there was overlap. They each had excellent choices (enrolled at two top 10 universities and a top 20 LAC). But the schools do not have equal “brand name” appeal and would not generally be considered “equal” by the publications that presume to be arbiters of such matters. So, with that background, I would say (a) your children are likely to be savvy enough to realize that, due to the random nature of admissions, different results do not mean that one is “better” or even a “better” student, (b) your children will celebrate one another’s successes and empathize with the disappointments, (c) you should consider emphasizing that different interests, EC’s, etc. (i.e., non-statistical profile) make a big difference in who gets in where (“X” school might need a fencer, not a robotics whiz this year), and (d) there are scores and scores of schools with fabulous attributes at which they can get a great education and have a fantastic time. Incidentally, the admissions officers must know what they are doing – our three are all thrilled with their schools.</p>

<p>"You can tell them that they are not competing with each other. It’s a different time, a different class.</p>

<p>It must be more complicated for twins (and their parents), but most get over it, I bet…"</p>

<p>True. There was a situation here on CC a couple of years ago in which a female student and her twin brother applied to the same schools. Her brother got into everywhere he applied including EA to H, P or Y. I think he ended up going to Yale. </p>

<p>She ended up being rejected everywhere but her safety, Michigan. She was happy for her brother, but, of course was very disappointed that she didn’t get into her top choice colleges.</p>

<p>It ended up that she loved Michigan, and even fall of freshman year got a leading role in a musical.</p>

<p>Positioning - </p>

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<li><p>They’re two different individuals with their own set of circumstances and idiosyncrasies.</p></li>
<li><p>The younger D is applying in a different timeframe where the admission criteria could be different than when the older D applied.</p></li>
<li><p>The apps are typically read and decisions made by different people. I imagine this would be especially so from one year to the next. Most colleges aren’t cookie cutter in this regard. </p></li>
<li><p>It’s always difficult to determine exactly what gets someone admitted to a particular college. At the colleges in my moniker there are some with very high stats denied admission while at the same time some with much lower stats on the surface are admitted. Why? Who knows? </p></li>
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<p>Hopefully the older D, although devasted at the declined admission offers (note the phrasing) at the time, is now at a ‘great school’ and by now she might be largely ‘over’ the events a year ago so maybe she’ll be less bothered than thought. Of course, it’ll be important for the family to be somewhat sensitive to the situation but again, the variability in admissions should be stressed.</p>

<p>Twins here too - one at an Ivy and one at a top LAC. Different strokes for different folks.</p>

<p>I like the idea of having the older daughter mentor the younger one - let her know what worked, what didn’t work, give suggestions, etc. I think a lot will depend on the existing relationship between the sisters, though. My D1 and D2 cannot stand each other; they didn’t get along when they were 1 and 3, and they get along even less as high school students. They are sisters by an accident of birth, but are individuals who would NEVER be friends or even spend time together but for having been born into the same family. Both get along well with D3. D1 would celebrate a success for D3 but would be resentful if D2 accomplished something she did not, and there would be nothing we could do to better that outcome. How you “soften the blow” will have to take into account the dynamics of their relationship.</p>

<p>We had a very similar issue, with something of a twist at the end.</p>

<p>Child 1 is very intellectual and analytical and very “lopsided” as a student – great achievement in some areas, mere adequacy in others. Her top choices were her parents’ alma mater and another, similar university, both of which had admission rates around 10% at the time. She had a lot going for her – the president of the local alumni association for the non-legacy university interviewed her, and called me up immediately afterward to tell me that she was the best candidate he had seen in a decade (and while we knew of each other, we had never met) – but she always recognized that both colleges were huge reaches. She was not admitted to either, but was admitted to another great university that everyone who knew her well considered a perfect match for her (and that was her pretty solid third choice).</p>

<p>Child 2 was a BWRK poster-boy who always jumped through all the right hoops. While nowhere near as naturally intellectual as his sibling, and not as accomplished in any field as she in her favorite, he cared a lot more what other people thought, and so he did extremely well in every class he took, and he made certain to take all the right classes. As a result, while never a threat to be #1 in his class, his class rank was always in the single digits (at a large school), and his test scores were somewhat better than his sib’s (which had been plenty good). Furthermore, in part because unlike her he spent four years at the same high school, he accumulated some meaningful leadership roles. He won boatloads of school prizes. He was considered a solid candidate for our alma mater and other single-initial colleges.</p>

<p>He applied to several, including our alma mater, but he gave a pass to his sib’s other top choice, certainly in part out of a sense of loyalty. She was a little grumpy about his relatively high status, which she attributed to brownnosing, but she was basically supportive. He also applied to her college, which he had loved since setting foot there when we delivered her for orientation, and which he rated above many more prestigious schools to which he applied.</p>

<p>In the end, he wasn’t accepted at any of the super-duper colleges either. He was a little rocked – he had good friends whose grades and scores were no better than his accepted at every college that rejected him, and there was little question that, for the first time ever, he had underperformed other people’s expectations. However, he was accepted at his sib’s college, which he had always had as one of his top choices. And he was also accepted at a top public university and offered a fabulous merit scholarship there. But he had never loved that college the way he loved his sib’s college. He could easily explain how they were different, in terms that reflected both his character and his family’s values. The problem was that even he admitted that the differences couldn’t possibly justify the price differential.</p>

<p>So there was our dilemma: We would have loved him to pick the much less expensive college, but had a great deal of trouble telling him that because he had worked harder than his sib and out-performed her, he couldn’t go to the college he liked most that had accepted him, which happened to be the college where his sib was. He knew perfectly well that we had been prepared (with difficulty) to pay for the preferred college if he hadn’t been offered a big scholarship elsewhere. We all agonized. In the end, we didn’t feel OK about telling him he had to go to the scholarship college, and he couldn’t let go of his excitement about his sib’s college. He’s there now, and generally loving it.</p>