Since 2006, 750-800 Math scores up 23%, no change in CR.

<p>Well said, laughxindoors.</p>

<p>And you got a 660 probably for the same reason I got a 700, we made a couple of dumb mistakes.</p>

<p>Oh, this raises a question I’ve had, since you are nearer one extreme and I’m at the other.</p>

<p>Do colleges just judge SAT by a number on the 1600/2400 scale. OR do they look at how well you do in each category. Like, my 700 CR and 710 W suggests I do moderately well in each category. But is it the same as someone who gets an 800 in one area and a 610 on the other? (both are 1410) [I know most of you have way higher scores than this but oh well]</p>

<p>hilsa: “I got a 12 on the essay and missed about 9 MC and ended up with a 770.”—are you serious?!</p>

<p>Because i just went back and looked at my score report and i got a 12 essay and missed 6 MCs and i only got a 720
I must have had a god awful curve :(</p>

<p>Well, I got a 71 MC… I’m assuming it’s out of 80.</p>

<p>But then again, maybe you took it when a lot of people got -4s and -3s on the writing, since I think they do SAT scores by percentiles. </p>

<p>And you probably did better on the other two. Unfortunately, my top school doesn’t give a damn about writing.</p>

<p>71 means your writing MC was scaled to a 710, but your essay pulled it up to a 770. my sister got 3 wrong(which is -4 on the raw score because of guessing penalty) and it was also a 71.</p>

<p>in the real world i did fantastic on here…im not special at all
haha
i got 680 on CR and 700 on Math
If i would have like a little bit extra time i could have been perfect…its not like the questions are hard. it is i am pressured for time. like…i have arouund a 99% in AP Calc…im good at math…just not the SAT math i guess. </p>

<p>not many schools consider the writing yet. all of the ones i visited and talked with adcoms said they arent sure what to do with it because not enough kids have taken it with the writing to have any sort of data on it. So for now they are kinda just ignoring it and looking out of 1600</p>

<p>I think I’m the one exception to CR… like the outlier [sp?] of the data. Lol. I went from a 650 to 750 CR. Very unexpected. I guess asking myself the “so what” question every time really helped. Haha. I’m still befuddled and bitter about the -1 =760 thing though. Buggers. Hey, at least my CR went up! Can’t ask for anything better, I suppose. =]</p>

<p>Yummymango - I’m the same way but with writing … I wonder what schools think of such big jumps?</p>

<p>I went from a 660 writing to 790 writing…??? That’s 130 points! I tend to consider myself a good writer (although by no means does the Writing section <em>really</em> judge that…) so I definitely think it’s accurate to say my ability’s around the higher end of those extremes. But still…</p>

<p>Guess it’s a good thing?</p>

<p>Laughxindoors, mine was the opposite. I got a 770 and then got a 640… a 130 point fall. I did get 720 the first time, though. Obviously, after I got the 770 I didn’t care anymore.</p>

<p>yummymango, that much of a change in CR is not unheard of. Sometimes you just have passages that you just don’t understand on one SAT test, and on the next, you really like them and understand them.</p>

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<p>Um . . .Choklit? Are you aware that those kids in the “flyover states where there are zero educational standards” do better than Coastal state kids on BOTH the SAT AND the ACT?</p>

<p>Top 10 states, 2008 average SAT scores:
National average = 1511</p>

<ol>
<li>Iowa 1797</li>
<li>Minnesota 1784</li>
<li>Missouri 1775</li>
<li>Wisconsin 1768</li>
<li>North Dakota 1766</li>
<li>South Dakota 1766</li>
<li>Illinois 1762</li>
<li>Michigan 1751</li>
<li>Kansas 1733</li>
<li>Nebraska 1733
. . .</li>
<li>Washington 52% 1568</li>
<li>New Hampshire 74% 1555</li>
<li>Massachusetts 83% 1552
. . .</li>
<li>Connecticut 83% 1535
. . .</li>
<li>California 48% 1512
. . .</li>
<li>New York 84% 1473</li>
</ol>

<p>Every single one of the top 10 is a “flyover state”!</p>

<p>Of course, one reason the SAT state averages are so much higher in the Midwest is that, unlike the Coasts where most kids take the SAT (pulling down the statewide averages), a relatively small fraction of kids in the Midwest bother to take the SAT. Most kids in the Midwest take the ACT. On the Coasts, relatively few take the ACT. So you’d expect Coastal states to have higher average ACT scores, right? Well, no, not exactly.</p>

<p>Top 10 states, 2007 average ACT scores (I couldn’t find 2008 data)</p>

<p>National average 21.2</p>

<ol>
<li>Massachusetts 23.5</li>
<li>Connecticut 23.2</li>
<li>Washington 23.1</li>
<li>New York 22.9</li>
<li>New Hampshire 22.9</li>
<li>Vermont 22.8</li>
<li>Minnesota 22.5</li>
<li>Maine 22.5</li>
<li>Iowa 22.3</li>
<li>Wisconsin 22.3</li>
</ol>

<p>So, yes, a few (but by no means all) Coastal states come out marginally higher on their average ACTs that the Midwestern states, but not by much at all—nothing like the 200 to 300 point differential by which Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa kids beat Coastal kids on the SAT. And notice that the ONLY states that come out in the top 10 on BOTH lists are Minnesota, Iowa, and Wisconsin—quintessentially “flyover states”! </p>

<p>By the way, according to the U.S. census, these same Midwestern states also have some of the highest literacy rates in the country, easily outstripping Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, etc.</p>

<p>So don’t come around here with your garbage about how the “flyover states” have “zero educational standards.” The fact is, in my part of the country educational standards are considerably higher than on either Coast.</p>

<p>Ahh, I disagree that CR isn’t teachable. My score jumped 150 points in one year after doing just a little bit of prep (one passage a night for a month). There are a few really important strategies in mastering critical reading that are important but many people overlook. After my past SAT score, I finally came to terms with the fact that critical reading doesn’t test your ability to think critically, but to physically be able to read words and understand some basic vocabulary.</p>

<p>In fact, CR scores from 750-800 are rarer today than they were 5 years ago because more students take the SAT now.</p>

<p>I still think there is a GREAT research study in this hypothesis:</p>

<p>As long as you read for pleasure like the dickens in early and late elememtary school, up through 8th grade, and then slack off or even just give up all recreational reading in high school, you will still have a stellar CR score when you take the SAT, BECAUSE you modified your brain through all the early reading. </p>

<p>Becoming a reading addict after, say, 4th grade won’t result in necessarily stellar CR scores, because it is a function of HOW EARLY AND HOW INTENSELY you read that sets you up for that high CR score.</p>

<p>From my own life experience and what I have picked up here, I have a feeling that is what is operating when people get these high CR scores. It’s reading young and in quantity (by the way, not necessarily quality stories, either) and maintained until age 12 or 13, that is making high CR scores possible.</p>

<p>Just a thought. I would love to see research done on this.</p>

<p>I would agree. Of the two friends I have with perfect CR scores, they have always been into reading books.</p>

<p>I’m a constant reader and got an 800 without problem. The only other person I know who got 800 has also been reading since he was little.</p>

<p>Please don’t make generalizations. They mislead the gullible.</p>

<p>I grew up playing video games and watching television, and I graduated as the valedictorian of my grammar school.</p>

<p>I was fortunate enough to be admitted to an outstanding high school with a strong English Department. Even then, I did not read literature for leisure, and I did not start reading periodicals until late into my senior year. 760.</p>

<p>It’s being able to understand, interpret, and work with a sizable amount of data that’s presented to you.</p>

<p>i received an 800, and i was raised by wolves. the concept of language(outside of howling, of course) was foreign to me until 3 months before I took the SAT.</p>

<p>hahahahaha</p>

<p>i wonder how the transition was :P</p>

<p>Does anyone care to take a stab at the reason for the number of Math 750-800 scores increased 32% since 2003, while the number of CR 750-800 scores remained constant?</p>

<p>I can think of four independent factors that could contribute:</p>

<p>Visio-spatial [Flynn</a> effect](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect]Flynn”>Flynn effect - Wikipedia): Since 2003, more test-takers have spent years immersed in Doom-engine visio-spatial video games. This has helped develop their math but not their reading.</p>

<p>Less reading:Students are reading less, suppressing CR scores. More smart students are taking test, and this is thus reflected in Math, not reading.</p>

<p>Math code cracked:SAT Math is more teachable/coachable than CR. Since 2003, students have intensified their SAT math preparation, resulting in more 750-800 scores.</p>

<p>More Asian test-takers: More Asians are taking the SAT. Asians score high in general, but in Math in particular. The increased numbers of Asian test-takers manifests in 750-800 Math scores, without affecting the number of 750-800 CR.</p>

<p>Does anyone think one of these theories is the main explanation? Does anyone have another theory?</p>