<p>I've been desensitized. I'm not sure about everyone else. </p>
<p>This stuff is horrible and needs to be stopped. Sadly, no one in government is going to do a damn thing. We need an amendment banning all handguns. We need to get rid of anything that facilitates murder. This would be great if it weren't for the illegal gun market.</p>
<p>I agree. But it's not the universities and colleges that will play the key but the politicians there. Penn is already trying to take over (and hence, clean up) west Philly as fast as they can, so they're doing doing their best. :)</p>
<p>Philly......
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** the city of dogs. People are all gone but dogs aren't using hand guns YET.</p>
<p>Oh crap, dogs with handguns. I better be more careful to keep my pets happy. I already dodge enough gunfire going to class, right?</p>
<p>I wonder how much money the NRA will give me for inventing a gun that can be used by dogs...</p>
<p>With or w/o the GPS option? Keep us posted on your developments. I mean it is the whole thing about which dogs would be trusted and which would you know.....be loose cannons or whacko?</p>
<p>posterx why are you seeking to deliberatley put penn down. look at your first posts and it's completely obvious. Go do something better and not try to tarnish penn's reputation. As if you truly cared about safety.</p>
<p>i'm not really sure what prompted this sudden burst of philly crime obsession. the murder rate is bad, yes, but plenty of people realize this, even penn students (i mean come on, there's been murders on campus, including the carjacker shot last week, and the guy shot over the summer in front of the 37th and spruce trolley stop)</p>
<p>desensitized, maybe, but every campus is a bubble, and it's sad.</p>
<p>if you think harrisburg is out of touch, perhaps you forget that ed rendell, a penn alum and former mayor of philadelphia, is the governor - he knows just as well as anyone how bad it is here.</p>
<p>the national guard won't do a thing to change attitudes, only instill more discord.</p>
<p>and as for activism, see how bill cosby got shot down?</p>
<p>philly won't be forever stigmatized. camden isn't either (except for people who have never been there). and i'm from camden county, so i should know.</p>
<p>Get a grip, PosterX - Penn students are no different from the rest of our society. It's not 1968 anymore and activism is dead. Penn students didn't create the problems of crime, drugs, dysfunctional families, etc. that lead to the high murder rate among young minority men (and that's mostly who's doing both the killing and the dying). There are ups and downs due to gang wars, increases in certain age groups (same baby boom that makes getting into college so hard right now), etc. that have caused the murder rate to spike up. Even the recent nice weather. These problems are in large part self -inflicted and the solution has to come from the communities affected and not from a bunch of do gooders on a college campus who don't have a clue what should really be done. The problems are deeply rooted in the breakdown of family structure . People have been trying to fix this for a long time and no one knows how - a lot of the past social programs backfired and only contributed to more breakdown in the family. The best that Penn can do is hunker down behind all those security cameras and Penn police and hope that not too much violence crosses over - mostly it's just bikes and laptops disappearing and not the lives of Penn students.</p>
<p>It is a chilly day in hell when I am finding myself in agreement with Percy.</p>
<p>So did this posterx kid get rejected from Penn or something? Is he dulce de leche with a better knack for hyperbolic rhetorical tropes?</p>
<p>Crime sucks in Philly, but Penn has neither the resources nor the obligation to go and wipe crime out of the fifth-largest city in the United States. Get real. Penn can take the lead in its own neighborhood--and that means killing people who go into it with guns, like last week's dirtbag carjacker.</p>
<p>Frankly I'm much happier with him pushing up daisies than pushing up the crime rate. I wish the police would shoot more shooters.</p>
<p>Why is activism dead? I know that it isn't dead on other campuses.</p>
<p>it's dead in terms of simple protests being able to bring about significant change.</p>
<p>ever hear of the no snitchin' attitude?</p>
<p>it's rampant throughout philly - and is the reason why crimes are so high, because nobody dares incur wrath / retribution by helping out the police.</p>
<p>Does anyone think that this incident as well as many prior incidents could affect the amount of applications submitted next year? As for me, I'd still apply and if accepted, attend UPENN September 2008.</p>
<p>it certainly won't help but it probably doesn't hurt and won't hurt until Penn students start getting murdered.</p>
<p>It definitely won't help. This is getting a lot more publicity around the U.S. than you might think.</p>
<p>The average American has the attention span and memory of a flea. How many "murder rate skyrockets in Philadelphia" stories can they print? Most people who have experience with big cities (or read the stories) understand that the murders are largely confined to certain groups and do not spill over onto campus (usually). By next September this story will be totally forgotten. I'm betting Penn applications up again next year - the demographic factors are much more powerful than a handful of pussies that will be scared off by crime stories unless, like JohnnyK says, there are some high profile crimes involving Penn students right in the middle of application season.</p>
<p>My memory pwns you</p>
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<p>Frankly I wish you were right, so it would shame even the shameless John F Street into doing something. But one article in the New York Times (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/us/15philadelphia.html?ex=1177560000&en=b386cb1d9fa5c9be&ei=5070%5B/url%5D">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/us/15philadelphia.html?ex=1177560000&en=b386cb1d9fa5c9be&ei=5070</a>) is hardly what I'd consider "a lot more publicity than you think"</p>
<p>Guns don't kill people - people do</p>
<p>(and monkeys do too, if they've got a gun)</p>
<p>Activism is dead because administrations have realized that they can ignore protests. They don't get money from protesters, and there's never enough of them to affect an election, so who cares if someone is marching against crime/war/guns/pollution/monkeys with guns? In the long run, allowing protests lets the administration say they let their opposition voice their opinion.</p>
<p>I find it deliciously entertaining that the overarching result of the optimism of the 1960s was a media/tech savvy and morbidly cynical youth culture. Congrats hippies.</p>
<p>lolol protests, hahahahahaha</p>