<p>A document all should read before again throwing stones at the messengers.</p>
<p>The unequal treatment given to the Mids in these honor violation (pg 10, 11, 12, 13) cases is nauseating. Fowler’s special treatment of football players and flag-officer children is disgusting, clearly not consistent with the values he supposedly was sworn to uphold.</p>
<p>songster! you never cease to amaze. THANK YOU for the really great bellylaff this beautiful Friday morn! At last, we agree, and I’m happee. Reconciliation is a great thing …unless it’s defined by Congressional budgets that only increase the debt today by a zillion bucks or so.</p>
<p>vvyh- please remember that us newbie Plebe parents are reading these posts. It is one thing to have a spirited discussion on topics…we need to hear all sides, and I do appreciate the lively posts,but making a comment like this is not helpful to parents who are thinking about their sons and daughters making it through Plebe Summer.</p>
<p>^^^ not to worry mom-
the plebes are so busy they have no clue what is going on unless it is right in front of their noses- eyes in the boat and all of that! The good news is that PPW is another day closer!!!</p>
<p>mom, you have to realize [and once you’ve bveen on this site long enough you will] that there are many, MANY people [well, I guess really everybody] who post on this site with hidden agendas, stories, and issues. [some good, some not so good] You will learn to regard and disregard comments made by those who, uh. . . . have a story. </p>
<p>Your son/daughter is in good hands at an excellent institution.</p>
<p>SONG72, have you met USNA69? He was just like you, a bitter old man with nothing better to do than to hang out with a bunch of teenagers and their parents, acting like a big shot, a know it all. He claimed to be a BGO, it was doubtful. I think he had other motives.</p>
<p>What about OldGrad? He was the same way, another bitter old man.</p>
<p>What about mombee? Another name that suddenly appeared with the same M.O.</p>
<p>What about Mongo? That’s one more of his aliases. Check him out, he’s another bitter old man.</p>
<p>Why do you keep running away and changing your name?</p>
<p>Back to the original purpose of this thread: the Supe did make some mistakes, but some of the decisions were not his own. Remember, he still has a boss and he has to follow orders like everyone else. </p>
<p>The issue of providing expensive tailgates for football coaches’ families has a lot to do with trying to keep a high-calibre coaching staff. You can’t maintain a solid DI program without spending money on some of the perks that every other school offers. When Paul Johnson left, there was real concern that the rest of the coaches would go with him. </p>
<p>In my years of association with the academy as the parent of a varsity athlete, I never got the sense that Admiral Fowler is a sports fan. He certainly never came to any of the events I attended. </p>
<p>One thing that does really bug me, however, is the claim that money was spent on enlisted personnel to boost morale and make them feel a “part of the team”. I know many of the enlisted folks on the yard and none of them received a jacket as a reward for promotion. Sailors of the year, yes, but not those who were promoted.</p>
Which decisions/mistakes did ADM Fowler make and which ones were made by his boss? Your post seems to indicate that you have some knowledge about which decisions were made by whom.</p>
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[quote=beachmomOne thing that does really bug me, however, is the claim that money was spent on enlisted personnel to boost morale and make them feel a “part of the team”. I know many of the enlisted folks on the yard and none of them received a jacket as a reward for promotion. Sailors of the year, yes, but not those who were promoted.
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I don’t think jackets was that to which they were referring:</p>
<p>The entertainment did not go to the junior sailors, who are the ones who feel most disenfranchised. Nor did many of the gifts. The CMC’s entertainment budget seems to have focused primarily on diversity, which can be interpreted in many ways. </p>
<p>Read the entire IG report (available on a link at the Baltimore Sun); you will note the claim that monies went to purchasing USNA jackets as a reward for those who were promoted to paygrade E-4 and above. No one that I know ever received this. Not saying it couldn’t have happened, just don’t know anyone who did. </p>
<p>Yes, I do know of some choices that were not the Admiral’s to make, but if he elects not to identify them, I will respect his decision. I just think it is important to note that everyone has a boss and must take orders at some time. Captain Klein, the much maligned former Commandant, was also lambasted for enforcing rules that were not of her making. We all need to remember that frequently a sailor’s job is to follow orders.</p>
<p>Perhaps you are referring to this part of the article:
*This newspaper also found inconsistencies in punishment when we pored over documents
obtained under a Freedom of Information request. After an exhaustive review of honor standard
cases between 2005 and 2007, we found some mids were allowed to violate honor standards
multiple times without being separated. We saw the same inconsistent punishment during that
period of Fowler’s administration that the inspector general found still existing in subsequent years.</p>
<p>And, the evidence we examined also suggested that athletes - particularly star football players - were
given leniency for honor violations. It is a charge we and others have made over the years.*</p>
<p>The drug-using Mid who (after failing a drug test and claiming he smoked a blunt “accidentally”) Fowler allowed to stay averaged 7.3 yards per carry, which many people consider a HUGE factor in the Supe’s decision to retain him. </p>
<p>I’m sure only 2.4 ypc would have seen him booted for his 1st offense.</p>
<p>Who’s gonna come to Fowler’s $400,000 slush-fund tailgate to watch a RB gain 2.4 yards per carry?</p>
Reconciliation is a great thing …unless it’s defined by Congressional budgets that only increase the debt today by a zillion bucks or so.</p>