<p>[Male-Female</a> Balance a Struggle](<a href=“http://aad.english.ucsb.edu/docs/male-female.html]Male-Female”>http://aad.english.ucsb.edu/docs/male-female.html)</p>
<p>Uh, jym…you better have a lot of lawyers. It’s quite common and most of the girls are grateful.</p>
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<p>you need to reread that article. I added for your assistance, the pertinent part about the US Commission on Cibvil Rights investigatiing. Here let me repost for you (and by the way, one of the schools mentioned is my own undergrad alma mater! If they want to accept students of both genders, they should, IMO, compare them equally. And I say this as the parent of 2 boys.)
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<p>The girls are grateful that they are accepted to fine institutions-- they are NOT grateful that they are being discriminated against in order to stick a few more male bodies on campus. This is the 21st century last I checked.</p>
<p>Mom, I’m not angry at my son’s school. I have no idea where you are getting that. It is a fact that the Ivy League is accepting a larger and larger percentage of foreign students and that they are raising and raising their merit money for higher and higher income kids because too many of the brightest US students are heading for the merit money because their parents are stretching their college funds to get them through grad school without debt. I can’t help it. The Ivy League is largely made up of international students on full pay, high achieving URMs and the super affluent. You may not like those facts, but they are facts. They know it’s true, which is why they are adjusting their merit policies.</p>
<p>jym, but the truth is, on the undergraduate level, schools have looked at the “whole student” forever. There is no way you can prove discrimination with a “whole student” philosophy…which is why a lot of the top tier schools don’t publish their statistics at all.</p>
<p>As a mom of four boys, I have to jump in. What did I read here (from debrockman)? Some “reason” why we need men? and so it is a problem for us to throw away our men…?? I don’t get your logic at all. </p>
<p>Sure, boys have had troubles “fitting” into school from the get-go. They are immature compared to girls, don’t sit still, can’t hold a pencil, prefer to build legos that try to decipher a page of letters (called reading). It’s just so clear: Schools really aren’t geared for boys.<br>
Boys are just as smart as the girls, yet b/c girls are the people pleasers, they’re the ones getting the awards and valedictorian recognition. Now we, the parents, are fretting what schools they’ll get into. We know they “only” realized the importance of grades by junior year…that they should have taken those prep classes more seriously, and now they’re hearing disappointing news from colleges.</p>
<p>Yes, why didn’t that college see his upward trend? Give him “credit” for participating at all, who cares about that lack of leadership…This is what we feared back when our delightful-yet slacker son-grew older, but still needs time to grow up.</p>
<p>Well, here’s my contribution: they’ll all be fine. Even my stressed out son, the one with Asperger’s, will be graduating soon. He had horrendous issues that nearly killed him when he was in a super competitive university. He has had all sorts of setbacks, but he’ll be fine. Four years ago, his acceptances poured in, and we were thrilled. What we didn’t realize is that he needed to scale back. We only wish he had gotten into a mediocre LAC school, because that’s where he is finally graduating from. It took three schools to accept that that was where he belonged. Finally he was happy. And that’s really what we wanted all along.</p>
<p>eso,
I am soooo sorry that this thread has more tangents than a HS math class. My hope for you is that your s either gets into a school he loves, or gets into one he likes a lot, performs well, and transfers to one of his dream schools, if his dream schoola accept transfers.<br>
And fortunately we know that many kids fall in love with the school they attend and can’t imagine being anywhre else. Its all good. Stay strong.</p>
<p>Please everyone, this thread is likely to get closed if personal attacks continue. DeBrock- I agree with others-- why don’t you start a separate thread on gender bias in admissions, or simply resurrect the other ones that were posted previously, especially after the LA Times article came out in Feb?</p>
<p>lima…congrats on working your way through your son’s struggles. Yes, he will be fine.
My daughter will be fine, too, after a high school of perfect grades and test scores, followed by a rape and an eating disorder. She’s at the local campus of the state u, doing beautifully, working, maintaining her own apartment. She has a real “story” to tell, and she has become an amazing young woman…still with challenges, different than I “expected”, but she will make a real difference in the world, working with young people who hit a wall and have to work desperately to get back on their feet to keep climbing.</p>
<p>debrock-
Colleges, especially smaller LACs, have always put together classes they feel will work well together as a class. And private schools can get away with discriminatory practices, as the article says. But gee… lets see, why do we think that some of this data isn’t published?? Let me wrack my small, inadequate female brain and ponder that one a bit…</p>
<p>Anecdotal stuff:</p>
<p>My kid is one of the smartest folks I know. He is sweet, and gets on well in school, he is kind of a round peg in a round hole, but not in a complacent way. He just got relatively lucky. The only two C’s he has gotten in HS. Chemistry because it was hard for him and he couldnt be bothered to study as much as it took to master the difficult concepts. He wasnt sitting around not doing anything, but he chose to concentrate his efforts elsewhere.</p>
<p>First semester of algebra 2 because although he had about an 86% average on the tests, he kept getting cr@ppy homework grades because he couldnt remember to put a box around his answers and for some weird reason this was really really important to the teacher. I dont know to this day why my son wouldnt put the box around the answers, I started to get the feeling at the time that it was some kind of Cool Hand Luke thing. Countless other classes where what would have been relatively effortless A’s ended up being Bs because of forgetting to hand in homework, or forgetting to study for a test that could have been incredibly easy for him. What happened with my son’s high school career, and subsequent college plans, is that he had the maturity to gravitate to the classes he cared enough about to work really hard in. So like an A+ in AP English classes, and art classes, but then a very silly low B in a tech ed class that he had to take but didnt care about. He seriously could have gotten an A in all of these classes. He ended up with a decent gpa because of his selectivity in courses, and then surprised us all with quite high SAT scores. I am overall proud of him and his accomplishments, but he is not a science/math genius, like the OP’s kid.</p>
<p>So I think that the problem may be that the really really scary smart kids like OPs are square pegs trying to fit into round holes. I think there should be a different set of criteria for them. Like colleges should say "Hey you clearly brainy and brilliant math guy or gal, I see that there arent many of you out there, and we need people like you to promote advances in technology, so we are going to look at you differently. Judge you differently. Who cares what EC’s you have, tell me about that theorem you are trying to prove.</p>
<p>eso,
I am so sorry this thread became the debrock show. This was your thread, not hers. So sorry.</p>
<p>Considering I have no idea the point you were trying to make, other than to acknowledge that class balancing is done everywhere…my point, exactly, thanks.</p>
<p>And Mom…which articles do you want first…the ones about the increasing acceptance of full pay internationals or the articles about the State U’s becoming increasingly more competitive due to the cost of tuition and the squeeze on the upper middle class incomes.</p>
<p>I have lots of both.</p>
<p>Oh my— dollars to donuts this thread will be singing its swan song. Again, eso, my sincerest apologies.</p>
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<p>I’m sure you do, and you have misinterpreted them and taken them out of context as you do most things.</p>
<p>Who said that single sex education had to be only available at private schools?</p>
<p>It doesn’t, actually. Single sex education is being experimented in several cities I know of, to very good effect.</p>
<p>note: both my girls went co-ed. But I wouldn’t hesitate to put them in a single sex school if I thought it was the right move.</p>
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<p>This one? Are we counting?</p>
<p>[Number</a> of Foreign Students in U.S. Hit a New High Last Year - International - The Chronicle of Higher Education](<a href=“http://chronicle.com/article/Number-of-Foreign-Students-in/49142/]Number”>http://chronicle.com/article/Number-of-Foreign-Students-in/49142/)</p>
<p>Point one.</p>
<p>[News:</a> The Big Admissions Shift - Inside Higher Ed](<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/12/01/calstate]News:”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2009/12/01/calstate)</p>
<p>Point two.</p>
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<p>Which planet are you on? Are you in the 21st century? Ivy League “merit money” left Planet Earth decades ago. Decades. There is no merit money. There is need-money, including gap need aid for the middle class. There is a healthy inclusion (critical mass) of internat’ls on the undergraduate level, unlike in many public U’s, but “largely made up of internat’l students”? That would be news to Ivy League students. As to the “super affluent,” it is in fact the Ivy League, along with certain Public U’s, that are the most generous to the needy, whereas non-Ivy coed privates are the least generous to the needy. High achievement, along with low economic status, will provide a rising star of a student a tip for the Ivies and a likely Deny for the vast majority of need-aware private U’s.</p>
<p>FYI, debrock, that article you linked in post # 182 is *<em>nine years old!! *</em> It is from Feb 2001! Read the newer articles on this subject for more up to date info.</p>
<p>** and LOL cartera!!</p>
<p>And check out the full-pay internationals at the flagship state schools. There are plenty of them.</p>