Smith or Barnard?

<p>Well, so far I got into four other colleges including Smith. I didn't receive notification from Barnard but if I were to be accepted into Barnard most likely my family would pressure me to go. I am interested in computer engineering and... well, I know I will have to go to Columbia for my classes if I choose Barnard. I want to know how does it feel to be in the engineering field at Smith since the classes are all female? Is it possible that an all female computer engineering class would provide a more positive environment? If I my question doesn't make sense, at school a lot of guys are very arrogant when it comes to computers and I am curious about the environment between the two.</p>

<p>The decision is really hard for me because as stated above, my family wants me to go to Barnard because my cousin is an alumni, it's in the city (I was raised in NY), the social environment (Columbia next door) and the fact that I can do anything and enjoy myself in the city. I mean, I like New York, but how is Northampton in relation (I know there's a big difference)? Can it be as convenient?</p>

<p>I was in a really similar situation to you except that my parents pushed for Barnard over Smith (the NYC thing kind of freaked them out, small towners, you know). </p>

<p>Computer Science and Engineering are both awesome at a women’s college because, as you correctly guessed, the environment is more positive. Girls are expected to be leaders in their courses and are really well-nurtured and encouraged. You don’t have to deal with super-arrogant boys, that goes without saying. The engineering dept. is getting a brand new building that opens in fall 09 and it’s going to have the very latest in equipment, so you I wouldn’t think you’d miss out much on quality of facility. I’m not a comp sci major and have only taken their computer classes for non-majors, but I’ve been impressed with the department in that limited contact. Majors in computer science and engineering both seem really passionate about what they study. </p>

<p>Plus, I think the environment at Smith in general is not as negatively competitive as it is at other schools. Regardless of your department, I find that women here are interested in competing in the outside world, but not necessarily in competing against each other. It’s more of a “let’s do it together, cause we’re all smart and we can all bring something to the table” and less of a “I have to squash you so that I can reach the top cause there’s only so many places”. At a bigger university like Columbia or Barnard, that’s going to be a big factor. If cut throat competition is your thing, awesome, but if it’s not, maybe a different school is a better fit. </p>

<p>Of course, Northampton is not like NYC at all, but it’s also not a total desert. There’s great restaurants, and an excellent arts scene with tons of good music and plenty of local museums. The shopping is not as diverse as in New york, but its fun.Smith is not very far from NY though, and there’s a pretty big NYC contingent here, so you won’t be totally adrift. My friends who are from NYC here seem to really like Noho cause it’s a cosmopolitan town without the craziness of city life, and then they appreciate the city more on vacations. </p>

<p>Also, Smith has a lot going for itself as a self-contained unit, which I was worried when I was applying would not be the case as much at Barnard. Being so close to such a bigger university and in New York City, I was worried that I wouldn’t get the same close-knit community experience I wanted and I definitely found that at Smith the community was vibrant on campus. </p>

<p>Something to consider though is that if you study engineering at Smith you won’t be able to specialize in computer engineering until grad school. If you study computer science, it may not give you the same engineering aspects you want. You could do a major in engineering with a minor in comp sci of course, but maybe that’s not the option you’re looking for. </p>

<p>Basically, this is a long post to say that I have no idea which you should pick, sorry, but just to help you think about Smith’s offerings as compared to Barnard. Ultimately, try to resist parental pressure as much as possible and pick the school you think fits you the best. This is your future you’re talking about, so you need to think carefully about yourself, regardless of what your parents think. Maybe visit the admitted students days and test out the feel of each place. Often times the right school will “click” in an untangible way that let’s you know it’s right.</p>

<p>I have to say, this was a great post for people who aren’t thinking of majoring in any of the mentioned fields (except maybe computer). You offered very informative and helpful information on Smith. Thanks!</p>

<p>Thank you very much, I am planning on going to Smith in April and hopefully I will make my decision between Barnard and Smith. I thought I might have been bashed for this post. Well, I’m not a competitive cut-throat person, I tend to do my own thing and I strive to improve my skills rather than trying to surpass my peers.</p>

<p>I’m glad you gave me some insight on the school, it’s a hard decision for me to make (and it’s evident) but I will eventually pick a school.</p>

<p>The partnership with Columbia is more than enough for most people to pick Barnard over Smith–including the 5 college consortium.</p>

<p>True, I think that the Columbia/Barnard partnership offers more than the 5 College Partnership, if for no other reason than you can walk to Columbia and it’s a long bus-ride to the Five Colleges. </p>

<p>But, one of the things that turned me off of Barnard was that I didn’t want to go to a school that was just a satellite of a larger university. That’s something that also turned me off of Bryn Mawr and some other schools. I really wanted a school that had a lot going on within it’s own campus, where the community wasn’t being swallowed up by another, bigger school. For some that isn’t as much as a factor, or they don’t think that their particular school has much of a problem that way, but for me it was different.</p>

<p>I think I know which one to choose now… Well, Barnard rejected me-- I’ll see if I like the campus.</p>

<p>Yeah, Barnard waitlisted me, so the competition is over for me too.
Now it’s a question between Smith, Vassar and Notre Dame.
Waiting for the aid package…</p>

<p>simply lily, Is this Notre Dame in Indiana? There’s a lot different between Smith and ND. (My sister is a ND freshman.)</p>

<p>LOL, I know! They both seem awesome and interesting schools, but appear to have absolutely NOTHING in common! At least Vassar and Smith have some similarities, but ND? Nothing! I have no idea what to do - I guess knowing how what aid I got for both will help…</p>

<p>How is your sister liking ND?</p>

<p>She loves ND. She’s an engineering major, joined the rowing team as a novice and enjoys that, too, but I don’t think she wants to continue it next year (it takes up a lot of time). She did track and cross-country in high school but never planned to continue them.</p>

<p>She’s also moving into the new dorm next year, so she’s looking forward to that. (All the rooms in her current dorm are exactly the same so there’s nothing to look forward to.)</p>

<p>My sister applied to Smith as well, but she never wanted to go there (though I loved it) and she wanted a school where she wouldn’t major in engineering but in a specific area. I think she’s leaning toward mechanical.</p>

<p>South Bend is really cold. She thought it was too cold to show me around when I visited in December (below freezing and there was snow the entire weekend) but the spring semester started out with a -40 windchill or something like that. It’s a bit colder than I ever experienced at Smith. :)</p>