So...asians...are we really that screwed?

Applying to College
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<p>I've been hearing that colleges expect more from asian americans? That sounds pretty screwed up. What is a "typical asian?" and why can't he/she get into top colleges? How do you get out of that category? I just thought this was...interesting. Any comments?</p>

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<p>That would be categorized as discrimination. You've been hearing rumors.</p>

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<p>Check out this wiki entry for hard data and some interesting thoughts:
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_minority#Asian_Americans%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_minority#Asian_Americans&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I would like to think that I won't be screwed by just my race. However, I'm sure it might happen. I just don't think that collegeconfidential can represent reality since there are a lot of posts despairing how Asians get screwed in college admissions considering that many CC-ers are Asians. The process can't be that overblown. Yes, it does happen, but I'd like to think that it isn't that automatic.</p>

<p>Remember, CC is just a fire where people express their anxieties only to feel more anxious afterwards.</p>

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<p>At least 2100.</p>

<p>4.0.</p>

<p>Top 10% class rank is minimum.</p>

<p>Plays an instrument or five.</p>

<p>Awards in musical competitions.</p>

<p>Science and math awards.</p>

<p>A lot of community service hours.</p>

<p>Leadership positions in a lot of clubs.</p>

<p>Usually plans to major in a type of science.</p>

<p>Mostly has names like Andrew Wong and Sarah Ming.</p>

<p>I think this is enough.</p>

<p>I'm Asian and I barely have any of this though...</p>

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<p>Are you asian kcajgnaw?</p>

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<p>Yes. I am Asian. I found this abc nightline news story talking about college admissions for the wealth and asians. Its pretty interesting. <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2625731%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=2625731&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I guess i have average scores...2250ish SATs, good SAT2s (high 700/800) and good rank (top 1%) I play an instrument...not anything special. Awards...not so much. Math- ok at it, 730 sat 1 tho. I have 150 svl hours, not many leadership positions (officer in one, found a not so great club) So idk, is that typical?</p>

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<p>Asians make up a large percentage of the population at almost all top schools compared to their percentage of the overall population. </p>

<p>While I do not believe asians are screwed, if they are, it is through their own fault by embracing fierce competition.</p>

<p>And yes op, you are a typical poster with math/instruments/etc.</p>

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<p>The average cost or benefit of college affirmative action in terms of SAT points (on 1600-point scale) is as follows: 2</p>

<pre><code>* Blacks: +230
* Hispanics: +185
* Asians: −50
* Recruited Athletes: +200
* "Legacies" (children of alumni): +160
</code></pre>

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<p>But you know, I don't understand how the color of your skin determines how smart you are. To me, it's just common sense to think of AA as wrong. Race isn;t something you can control, unlike your grades or ECs.</p>

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<p>So you believe that if Asians are screwed, it is their own fault by embracing fierce competition? So are you saying they chose to be of an Asian descent?</p>

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<p>Wow TheMK99, that is stupid... So you're saying it's their fault for being Asian American? So if I'm Asian American and someone else gets my spot at a top university, it's okay and MY fault because of the color of my skin?</p>

<p>There is just so much hate against Asians because they try harder in school coming from non Asians. I don't even get it... HOW can people be hating because of THAT reason.</p>

<p>You know what I believe? I believe that everyone should have an EQUAL chance of getting accepted and that the color of their skin SHOULD NOT bring an unfair disadvantage... That may sound CRAZY, but just an opinion.</p>

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<p>are u an asian TheMK99?
If not, you have no right to say such a thing.</p>

<p>If you are, it only shows how ignorant you are.</p>

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<p>"are u an asian TheMK99?
If not, you have no right to say such a thing."</p>

<p>No right? We all are dealing with the same policy of AA. We all have a right to say anything. Watch yourself. And please, don't sound so offended...have some moral resilience.</p>

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<p>you can deal with the policy. </p>

<p>But you can't blame how it's all asians fault. </p>

<p>It's like asians can say jokes about asians, african americans can say jokes about african americans, and caucasions can say jokes about caucasions. </p>

<p>Besides, isn't it ridiculous for someone who benefits from a system to blame people who is screwed by the system?</p>

<p>It's like someone who is born rich blaming someone who is born poor, what right do they have? it's just chance that they're born rich, and the poor don't want to be poor nor do they know how it would be like to be poor.</p>

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<p>Just work your ass off, don't think about this crap, and hopefully reap the benefits.</p>

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<p>He really doesn't have the right to say something like that. We're all subjectedto the same AA policy...and we're all affected differently by it. An Asian virtually never has the same perspective as an African-American about a policy, or vice versa, especially if the Asian loses something to the African-American, fairly or not.</p>

<p>There's a girl I know, and there are people all of us (or at least some of us) know, who is Chinese and below average for Asian stereotypes, even though she's above average overall. Yet, even though she's above average, she has to put in that extra push to get into a better college which the URM doesn't have to give. Many colleges are assuming we're all Rajiv Kandavalis who play eight instruments and varsity tennis. Asians do not all fit into one mold, and neither does any other race. Case in point: Who do you think would have a better life and have the ability to have all those SAT tutoring classes, college counselors, an education at a big-shot magnet or New England private school? A wealthy Hispanic with loving, nurturing parents or an Asian who has to get two part-time jobs to feed the family and save himself from his drunk dad? Proponents of race-based affirmative action might try to argue that chances are that a randomly selected Asian has a higher quality of life than a similarly selected African-American. However, there's always income-based affirmative action for those cases. Of course, the more pretentious, legacy-loving, big-shot universities make a big show out of helping the poor and shower them with financial aid, but the amount of white, rich legacies that they accept as a percentage negates any good for society they accomplish through that.</p>

<p>That leaves two groups who lose out of all this:
1)Asians
and
2)The middle class</p>

<p>And even underrepresented minorities and the poor only have limited gains; it's mostly the legacies (like Bush and Kerry, who were quintuple and quadruple legacies, respectively, at Yale and Harvard, and were C students throughout college) who benefit. That's right; the ones who need it LEAST profit the most from this nepotism!</p>

<p>Sorry that I put everything so bluntly, or if I offended anyone. I really didn't mean to, but sometimes it happens when one has a point to make. I admit that I'm not the most politically correct person in the world.</p>

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<p>kennyk616, I really don't get your analogy. Are the Asians or the URMs the rich?</p>

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<p>At least 2100.
-Not unless 2020(composite)>2100.
4.0.
-Um....NO.
Top 10% class rank is minimum.
-Negatory.
Plays an instrument or five.
-Um...PSH NO.
Awards in musical competitions.
-I quit playing the clarinet in 8th grade.
Science and math awards.
-I hate science. Math is ok but I'm not a genius at it. Econ, however, is a different story.
A lot of community service hours.
-I have about 100. Not too many considering some kids have like 7000+.
Leadership positions in a lot of <em>(math and science)</em> clubs.
-Leadership in one. AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
Usually plans to major in a type of science.
-Pshaw. I hate science. Econ/finance/psychology please.
Mostly has names like Andrew Wong and Sarah Ming.
-Close enough.</p>

<p>So I effectively only fit into one of the stereotypes of being a "typical" asian...and I have no control over that one factor.</p>

<p>Anyway if you're like me and don't fit into the "asian" mold, you're basically no more screwed than the caucasian dude you sit next to every day.</p>

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<p>^^I completely agree with you, proletariat, especially about the middle class. I'm lower middle class, but I'll have to work my butt off to pay for college because my parents make a little more than the cut-off for fin-aid. </p>

<p>And, legacies are just worthless. It might play into that whole "rich stupid kid" stereotype, but why accept someone just so their X relative will donate more money?
Sorry, needed to get that off my chest.</p>

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<p>/\ word.</p>

<p>I'm getting depressed reading this.</p>