So I got caught cheating... twice...

<p>Good afternoon. This is my first post ever on this forum. I was sitting here for the last half hour wondering who or what I could talk to about this. Most of the forums I browse I'm too well-known on to make such a statement. Alas, I post this with a username I hope my real-life friends will never suspect is actually me. That being said, I'll provide some insight as to why I'm posting this.</p>

<p>I'm currently a fourth year computer science student with a 3.2 GPA. Up until college I never cheated. Not once. I was straight as an arrow and would get my assignments done quickly and on time, no problem. It was not until the end of freshman year that things went downhill...</p>

<p>It was the third trimester (trimester system) in CS III. Me and a friend were in the same class together and had known each other from a previous trimester of CS I. Up until the end, we never consorted or collaborated in any manner whatsoever. Once the final project rolled up, however, we made one of the most foolish mistakes we could have possibly imagined. We decided to work as a group on an individually assigned project. I can't remember what the project was exactly, but from what I can remember it was a calculator of some sort that implemented queues or stacks. Seeing as neither of us were well versed on how exactly to approach the problem, we started discussing probable solutions to the problem. From brief discussions to longer sit-down code-sessions, worse turned to worst. We were crunched for time and had decided to split up the work where one person would write one function and the other person would write another and pass it to each other. Using this process, we managed to finish the project in time, although the possibility of us getting flagged lingered in the back of our minds as we walked out of the lab.</p>

<p>Sure enough, the LAST day of class we both got an email stating that we failed the course due to a cheating infraction and that a report would be filed with our advisors. My heart sank. What was I going to do? I couldn't tell my parents and sure as **** couldn't tell my dad. I went home that summer with the worst feelings of my life and often contemplated ways to escape it altogether. I got through that summer, however, and near the end told them about what happened. Fortunately, they weren't too upset, especially given the explanation I provided, but I had a feeling they were putting on a pretty face...</p>

<p>As the new school year was just starting they told me to just let it go and forget it about it since dwelling on it would do me no good. They were right, but the thought of it always lingered that coming fall. Fast forward to spring trimester. Again, I'm in a class with the same kid. Again, him and I were still as retarded as before and decided to wait till the last minute to get the first assignment done. I called him up and asked him if he wanted to brainstorm and he agreed. Inevitably, we got the assignment done and subsequently received an F for it as well as another report for our advisors to laugh at. We tried reasoning with the professor, but to no avail. We were ****ed - royally. Seeing that I now had two F's on my transcript, I decided to retake both courses and received a B in both. I figured all hope is not lost - just 98% of it. I never told my parents about the second incident - I'm sure they would disown me completely.</p>

<p>And so here I am, two years after the latter incident reminiscing and realizing how much I actually screwed myself over. I went to a career fair last week and talked to a bunch of employers. I had one interview already that I think went OK and two more this coming week. One of them, however, is requesting a transcript. If that's not bad enough, I got a referral from one of my good friends who currently works there who does NOT know that I cheated twice in my college career. If he did, I'm sure he would never have given me a referral. That, or he'd simply stop talking to me - not that I would blame him.</p>

<p>I have been dwelling on these incidents for the last two years and have gone through serious bouts of depression (although I never told my parents) and often contemplated suicide (although never considered it). The way I see it, my career is basically over as anyone who even questions those F's is opening the door to who it is that I really am - a failure. The thought of having to prove why I am not a failure in opposition of two cheating infractions seems impossible. The thought of even going to graduate school seems impossible. The thought of ever getting a job seems impossible. I've closed so many doors I feel like a ball in a pinball machine bouncing off walls waiting for a door to open that never will.</p>

<p>I come to you people seeking advice. Do I give up and just drop out? Do I tell my parents about the second infraction? How do I explain this on the interview? Simply put, I am completely and utterly lost. I hope someone who takes the time to read this can steer me in the right direction.</p>

<p>Thank you for your time.</p>

<p>The best you can do is explain the nature of the F’s whenever possible. If you simply say that the first F was “the result of collaborating on an assignment intended to be completed alone” and that the second F was… well, I honestly don’t know why you received that second F (was it a partner assignment? Solo assignment? What happened there?), it won’t exactly be looked at with the utmost scorn. Some types of cheating are worse than others, really.</p>

<p>Upper-end graduate schools may not be so forgiving, but that isn’t to say all graduate programs are now out of reach. Same goes for jobs – not every employer really cares to see your transcript. They may not even need a GPA, depending. </p>

<p>At any rate, don’t get too down about the whole thing. Even the most trapped pinballs can benefit from a bit of tilt. Just be honest, optimistic, etc. Go ahead and give your transcript if asked – but just append a note explaining your situation and what you learned from it. It doesn’t have to be an essay, but just something that convincingly shows that you’ve emerged from the incidents with a positive spin. Those two F’s won’t kill you as long as you explain yourself and show that you were able to re-complete them with B’s. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>PS: Calculator utilizing prefix/postfix notation + stack/queue utilization = done deal</p>

<p>Thanks for your reply.</p>

<p>I failed to mention that the second assignment that was flagged as cheating was under the same circumstance (individual assignment done as partner assignment due to pressure, time, panicking, etc).</p>

<p>If anything I’ve been improving my GPA steadily since the incident and from what I’ve been told, upward trends look good. I revere your optimistic perspective as well.</p>

<p>My parents told me that if they bring up the F’s (or F for them) during the interview that I should lie and perhaps construe it as a misinterpretation of the assignment guidelines. I’m for and against that for various reasons, one being that if they can and do look at my advising report, they would immediately see my lie. Is it a risk worth taking?</p>

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<p>Could you explain?</p>

<p>Don’t lie to the employer about your F’s. If they found out the truth your chances of being hired will be zero. Tell them the truth and hope they give you a chance. Show them that you have changed and realized your mistakes.</p>

<p>Good luck bud.</p>

<p>I would agree with you kashc2 and argued with my parents about it. I guess they just don’t get it. I’ll have to think of something concise and intelligent to say for this interview and future ones.</p>

<p>Spin the situation as an example of directed teamwork to achieve a common goal.</p>

<p>That will sound more like an excuse rather than an explanation… no?</p>

<p>TheInevitable: I’m not going to go into a lengthy explanation here, but this PDF does a decent job of introducing the concepts: <a href=“http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-087-practical-programming-in-c-january-iap-2010/lecture-notes/MIT6_087IAP10_lec07.pdf[/url]”>http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-087-practical-programming-in-c-january-iap-2010/lecture-notes/MIT6_087IAP10_lec07.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>And no, never lie about the F’s. That is certainly NEVER worth the risk.</p>

<p>Oh I know how pointers, stacks and queues work. I’m just not sure why you said “done deal.”</p>

<p>Don’t give up so easily, just because you were a HUGE IDIOT in the past (and maybe still are, let’s be honest).</p>

<p>Make your Fs look unimportant. When you are a CS or engineering major, you need to show future employers that you are productive while still in school. Work on projects on the side. Develop little applications, games, projects, etc., not for school but for a purpose. Contribute to an open-source project. SHOW PEOPLE YOU ARE PRODUCTIVE AND HAVE INITIATIVE TO BE A GOOD SOFTWARE DEVELOPER.</p>

<p>If you have enough money you can get a lawyer and if they are good enough they should be able to get your grades changed.
What did your teacher say? Id tell them you didnt really think it was cheating or something like that.</p>

<p>^? dude are u dumb or wat? a grade change, on what grounds? it’s an individual assignment, OP is screwed even if he doesn’t know it was (except he knowingly cheated).</p>

<p>ya, failing classes is bad BUT i don’t think its as bad as you may think. </p>

<p>I’ve just graduated from engineering and i know quite a few ppl who failed classes and they got jobs. Obviously failing classes isn’t going to help but form my experience, if you take the people who failed classes and people who didn’t fail classes, the proportion of people who are employed from failing classes isn’t much lower than the ones who didn’t fail anything.</p>

<p>maybe you could explain that you were talking abt the assignments and things got out of hand as you were way too enthusiastic…and you ended up using the same approach…although im not sure if that was the case though…</p>

<p>Look on the bright side, if you get a job in a software industry you will be allowed and encouraged to collaborate with your fellow workers on projects!!</p>

<p>You can’t change the past. You can only control how you behave in the future. And I’d suggest that you make sure to be scrupulously honest from here on out. That includes telling anyone who asks about the Fs why you got them (although I don’t necessarily think you need to volunteer the information unless you’re sure someone needs to know it – if the President wants to appoint you to a position that will require Congressional approval, for instance, and he doesn’t think to ask whether you have done anything in college that can be used to hurt you, and by extension him, if someone finds it out, then I think you should tell him anyway).</p>

<p>I have a hard time believing that you got caught your very first time and then turned right around and did exactly the same thing again, and I suspect I’m not the only one who will have a hard time with that; however, people are generally willing to forgive youthful mistakes when the youths learn from them and do not repeat them.</p>

<p>Yes, this is the sort of thing that can hurt you right now. And being honest will probably, in the short term, make things harder for you. In fact, in a great many situations – considered individually – being honest will make things harder for you. But being known as a person who is honest when it is not in his interest to be honest will make things easier for you over time and will earn you respect.</p>

<p>I think it comes down to a choice for you: are you going to continue to give yourself permission to be dishonest when you have what you think is a very good reason (no matter where you draw the line), or are you going to decide that there is no reason good enough to justify dishonesty? I know what I think is the right choice, but I can’t make the decision for you.</p>