<p>"But lets make clear the quality won't be on their level until we get our funding under control. We have some heavy lifting but it's more than do'able!"</p>
<p>What makes you think the actual quality of the learning experience isn't on par with those schools already? I would bet that the quality of a degree at UF is almost identical to that of Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, UCLA or any other huge, high quality school.</p>
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<p>What makes you think the actual quality of the learning experience isn't on par with those schools already? I would bet that the quality of a degree at UF is almost identical to that of Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, UCLA or any other huge, high quality school.
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<p>I tend to agree with that. I know MANY people, over the years, who transfered from other higher ranked public schools to UF (because of various reasons such as moving closer to home, cheaper tuition, etc...) and said that they got the same quality of education at UF as they were getting from the school they transfered from. One of the biggest negatives they mentioned though was the huge class room sizes UF had.</p>
<p>parent2noles,</p>
<p>I wouldn't trust those numbers in that "highlights" page yet. I seriously doubt FSU has an average ACT of 28!</p>
<p>I absolutely would trust it! FSU took only 4000 or so FTIC for fall this year. They were extremely picky.</p>
<p>Students "committed" to enter as freshmen in the fall of 2008 have an average SAT score of 1265 and an average ACT score of 28.</p>
<p>Untill the "committed" turn into "ENROLLED" nothing is a sure thing.</p>
<p>If however it pans out for FSU, it would be an impressive jump.
However per USNWR ranking criteria there are NOT a lot of point to gained there.
The "peer assesment" score worth 25% is killing them.
It will be interesting to see if their "peer score" will go up with the SAT bump.</p>
<p>This year, both FSU and UF accepted some students who did not have high SAT/ACT test scores. It really depends on the high school you attend. If it isn't a very competitive high school, then a 1020 SAT /19 ACT(which I consider both to be very low) may be the best that particular high school has to offer. I personally know someone who is now a freshman at UF with these stats. She was accepted at FSU, as well. On the other hand, a very competitive high school can make a 1200 SAT score seem very average due to the pool of high-achieving freshman applicants. Sometimes, you just never know what can happen. My son has applied to UF for summer '09 and currently attends a very competitive high school. His SAT score of 2120 (CR/M/W) and UF re-calculated GPA of 4.6 will hopefully get him accepted and into the Honors program. Time will tell!!!</p>
<p>Looks like "committed" means "accepted" in that "Highlights" page. It's funny how FSU redefines words like this. On top of that, FSU marketing team decided to steal another 4 points (1265 instead of 1261). </p>
<p>FSU.com</a> :: FSU Class of 2012: The best and brightest ever
The average freshman accepted into FSU boasts a high school grade point average of 4.0, an SAT score of 1261 (in critical reading and math) or an ACT of 28.</p>
<p>Thats 3 links showing 3 different FSU #'s.
I guess it all depends on when the published date was for each link. There are no dates on them.</p>
<p>In the end the only "official" numbers for all schools are the published Common Data Set numbers.
Anyone know when those come out?</p>
<p>It looks like the 2008-09 Common Data Set form is available for the colleges to fill out, and I see that the FSU Institutional Research website shows it is due 1/31/2009.</p>
<p>xNYer,</p>
<p>The article in my link was published in August 2008, so it's talking about the freshmen class entering the fall of the current year (2008). FSU is giving false info on its "Highlights" and should be ashamed of this. I think their SAT average is gonna drop to around 1200 for the enrolled students (nothing worth bragging about).</p>
<p>Doubt that seriously, Sam.</p>
<p>Here's the trend from the past several years: <a href="http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Performance_Indicators/Major/Mj05.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.ir.fsu.edu/Performance_Indicators/Major/Mj05.pdf</a></p>
<p>I disagree with Samlee's assessment. I think now that FSU reduced enrollment by 1,000 their FTIC will have to increase by last years stats. UF should must in turn follow suit for this year's incoming class.</p>
<p>With an average 1293 SAT for fall 2008, it appears UF has begun to follow suit.</p>
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<p>I thought UF cut back transfer enrollment by 1000. Do transfer stats get included in those SAT averages? Or just true freshman?</p>
<p>First time in college only, so i am guessing the entering class of freshman has a ~1300SAT. that is encroaching on great numbers. At 1350, i feel Uf will have reached "elite" in this category :)</p>
<p>If we weren't forced to take so damn many FTIC students then we could almost rival UCLA in the quality of our incoming classes. I can't wait for the Legislature to change the funding formula. Great news FSU is on the same page as UF when it comes to this matter. So it should only be a matter of time for the switch to occur.</p>
<p>^I have a hard time believing that. UCLA is somewhat behind Berkeley and Berkeley's enrolled SAT range this year was 1300-1500/2060 avg and both schools don't superscoure like UF. Plus UCLA and Berkeley are much more competitive to get into with around 50,000 plus applications and have much lower acceptance rates.</p>
<p>College</a> Navigator - Compare Institutions</p>
<p>Not bad considering UF enrolls 10,000 more UG's than UC-B or UCLA.
Now knock off 10K?</p>
<p>I'm so glad UF is all about statistics and "beating out" the other schools versus the actual life experience students get there. Honestly, who cares, as long as UF has a high SAT average. Go standardized tests!</p>
<p>^^^^^</p>
<p>Different philosophies, my friend. You think that applicants should be more rewarded with effort and I think they should be more rewarded with proven ability. It is really that simple. Higher SAT = Higher IQ. Couple that with higher grades and you have students with high academic potential who live up to it.</p>
<p>You want to see EFFORT rewarded over potential. That is typical of out current society of "as long as you try, you are just as good as everyone else". Oh yeah, for every low SAT/grade student you admit, there is a slot closed for the person with proven academic potential, too. </p>
<p>YAY, long live the back door.</p>