some conservatives = hypocrites?

<p>Just_Browsing,</p>

<p>Well, thank you! We've had our fair share of colourful exchanges in the past, and I warmly welcome your insult, knowing that it comes a person who advocates discrimination in the name of "correction" and "balance" and *who also* claims that all conservatives are hypocrites.</p>

<p>It's good that you acknowledge the PRC is communist in name only. Some of our fellow citizens refuse to see it that way, and this applies on both sides of the political spectrum.</p>

<p>Hu Jintao, by the way, is not a dictator. He was selected as a candidate by the senior leaders of the Communist Party.</p>

<p>Please read my complaint again. This will answer your "So?" question.</p>

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The liberal Democrats who hate the PRC's "communist government" while supporting affirmative action and need-based aid are hypocrites.

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<p>You clearly are not a liberal Democrat who dislikes the PRC because of its dominant Communist Party, therefore you are exempt from my criticism.</p>

<p>Now, as to whether I oppose President Lincoln's famous statement because of its (coincidental) Marxist undertones, no, I do not oppose it; I am for it.</p>

<p>Kindly remember that I am criticizing your brethen who refuse to see how modern China operates while wholeheartedly supporting need-based aid.</p>

<p>Please find where my "absurd post" states that I believe Marxism is absolutely incorrect.</p>

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The liberal Democrats who hate the PRC's "communist government" while supporting affirmative action and need-based aid are hypocrites.

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<p>That statement implies that supporting need-based aid and hating communism are in direct conflict. That you can't hate communism unless you hate all aspects of it.</p>

<p>I too support policy's that coincadentally have Marxist undertones.... policies like affirmative-action and need-based aid. I don't support them because they are Marxist, I support them because they are right.</p>

<p>Also, Hu Jintao is a dictator because he was selected in a system where should the people want someone different, it would be impossible. Democracy is name-only is not democracy. Its the same reason why the South African government during Apartheid was a dictatorship... even though it was theoretically a democracy.</p>

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My sentence: The liberal Democrats who hate the PRC's "communist government" while supporting affirmative action and need-based aid are hypocrites.</p>

<p>Reply: That statement implies that supporting need-based aid and hating communism are in direct conflict. That you can't hate communism unless you hate all aspects of it.

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<p>The group in question dislikes China because "it's Communist." Yet, this group is also highly supportive of need-based aid, despite that program's relationship to Communism.</p>

<p>Thus, they claim not to like a country because of its economic and political system. (Probably the latter more so than the former. Most of these guys don't differentiate between the two when labeling a country as communist, and most of them wouldn't acknowledge the economic reforms the PRC has passed since the tenure of Deng Xiaoping.) While they are making this claim, they are supporting a program which is an application of communist economics. Hypocrisy.</p>

<p>Supporting need-based aid and hating communism are therefore in direct conflict. Hating communism is absolute; one who does so should hate all aspects of it. If one supports need-based aid, then one should properly state that he dislikes most practices of communism but not all.</p>

<p>I doubt that President Lincoln had Karl Marx in mind when he penned the Gettysburg Address. I believe that he was too focused on preserving the Union and that the philosophy of a contemporary European theorist (c.f. classical European theorists like Locke, who clearly influenced our founding fathers) did not once enter his mind during his drafts.</p>

<p>It may or may not be a coincidence that modern affirmative action has become a type of social engineering that is more related to communism than its supporters would like to admit. After all, classical 1960s affirmative action is merely a reaffirmation of our nation's highest principles - equal treatment for all citizens. Somewhere along the line, that vision was abandoned in the name of "social justice," "correction," and "diversity."</p>

<p>I have to hand it to you, Just_Browsing. You're a pretty consistent guy. You don't back away from your stands, whether it's asserting that all conservatives are hypocrites or affirmative action is right. Kudos.</p>

<p>Taxation, and the government doing things like building roads and fixing potholes are also rooted in communism.</p>

<p>Is it impossible to hate communism without opposing those too?</p>

<p>What do you have against need-based aid anyway?</p>

<p>the title of this thread says it all. this thread deserves guantanamo.</p>

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There are lives that are not worth living. You can't sit here and tell me you would want the life of a homeless person. How about being a crack addicted baby? How about being born with HIV?

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<p>Many people who have been born under such circumstances have gone on to contribute to society and live productive lives. Granted many of them don't, but there are others that do. I know a man that was born in LA in a bad family, joined a gang by default, and ended up becoming a police officer. Sure there are others like him that would have stayed in a gang for all of their 20 year lives until they get shot in an argument over drug payments, but I don't begrudge them the chance they get. </p>

<p>It's sad to think that people like you are probably more unhappy when your puppy dies than at the fact that 3 million plus lives are squashed every year before they ever have a chance</p>

<p>Just_Browsing,</p>

<p>Keep in the mind the absoluteness of their answer - "it's Communist."</p>

<p>A person can certainly oppose communism without opposing taxation and government services, practices which have occurred in nations long before modern communist thought emerged. To be consistent, he should claim that he does not hate communism. He hates some of its applications. Not all.</p>

<p>Now, to answer your question.</p>

<p>I brought up the liberal Democrat / disliking China because "it's Communist / supporting need-based aid hyprocrisy as a counterpoint to your claim that all conservatives are hypocrites. Clearly, some liberals are, too.</p>

<p>My opinion on need-based aid does not have anything to do with this topic. So, I'll PM you.</p>

<p>Ok Sibelius. How would you propose that we control unwanted pregnancies? We continue to have these unwanted children, do you ever think about where these children end up? You said yourself that many end up in gangs. These people will more likely then not end up in jail and on drugs. In which case our jails become overcrowded and fugitives are simply set free. These freed criminals will continue to commit crimes and perhaps take more innocent lives. So tell me again how continuing to have these unwanted children is good for our society? I would love to live in a paradise where these kids could go to good homes, but that simply doesn't exist. It is an imperfect solution to an epidemic problem, but in the long run we are simply saving more innocent lives. There is more to abortion then just the termination of a group of cells. Think beyond the birth.</p>

<p>"Many people who have been born under such circumstances have gone on to contribute to society and live productive lives. Granted many of them don't, but there are others that do. I know a man that was born in LA in a bad family, joined a gang by default, and ended up becoming a police officer. Sure there are others like him that would have stayed in a gang for all of their 20 year lives until they get shot in an argument over drug payments, but I don't begrudge them the chance they get. </p>

<p>It's sad to think that people like you are probably more unhappy when your puppy dies than at the fact that 3 million plus lives are squashed every year before they ever have a chance"</p>

<p>Wow, with that story you have convinced me. Of course sometimes people like that can make something of their lives, but the majority(even according to you) do not. I too have a story. A child was born addicted to crack, and then she died after 6 years of painful life. I guess it's not as glamarous as yours, but it's just as real. FORCING people to keep unwanted children endangers the child's life, possibly physically and definately emotionally. How many children are born to parents that don't want them and end up neglected and in a crappy life? MANY.</p>

<p>What you don't seem to care about is the fact that there are many times where it is better that a child be born instead of forcing the mother to have it. While you are out trying to give everyone a fair chance, open your eyes and realize that life would not be fair to many of these kids. Stop trying to act like you are doing good by forcing someone to have a child they do not want. Stop acting like you are some saint trying to save everyone.</p>

<p>Ok Sibelius. How would you propose that we control unwanted pregnancies? We continue to have these unwanted children, do you ever think about where these children end up? You said yourself that many end up in gangs. These people will more likely then not end up in jail and on drugs. In which case our jails become overcrowded and fugitives are simply set free. These freed criminals will continue to commit crimes and perhaps take more innocent lives. So tell me again how continuing to have these unwanted children is good for our society? I would love to live in a paradise where these kids could go to good homes, but that simply doesn't exist. It is an imperfect solution to an epidemic problem, but in the long run we are simply saving more innocent lives. There is more to abortion then just the termination of a group of cells. Think beyond the birth.</p>

<p>Exactly.</p>

<p>The problem is, people get so focused on just making sure that the child is born that they don't think about what happens after. If more people knew that, then I truly feel we would have FAR less people who want to overturn Roe v. Wade.</p>

<p>Babies are scary looking. What does everyone else think?</p>

<p>This thread is absurd. It's not even about the OP's post any more, and I think I've made my point.</p>

<p>You really haven't, but if you want the thread to die fine by me.</p>

<p>To answer the original, EVERYONE is a hypocrite.</p>