The issue is not “greatness” - it’s whether, to generalize on points that Pinker has made, “the ghost of Oliver Barrett IV” still haunting every segment of the pipeline for not-a-few Ivies has created disparities and inequities that don’t exist at UChicago (or exist in more minute amounts).
Pinker has made some pretty scathing points about his employer Harvard, an institution with which he’s very familiar. Here’s a sampling of his observations:
- 5 - 10% of the undergrad class is selected on the basis of academic merit.
- "Too many" smart people means too many zombies, sheep and one-dimensional dweebs;
- New profs are told that Harvard “wants to train the future leaders of the world, not the future academics of the world.”
- "Holistic" admissions continues to hide discrimination against certain ethnic groups (Before - it was Jews. Now - it's Asians).
- Harvard undergrads skip class NOT because they are lazy but because they crazy-busy with OTHER stuff - "sports, dance, improv comedy, and music, music, music (many students perform in more than one ensemble)".
- Graduates get snapped up by consulting firms and equivalent because the Ivy degree is a "certification" of intelligence and discipline. In other words, an Ivy league education is a signal you are smart and capable, not a learning experience in and of itself.
These are astounding indictments when you consider, as Pinker has pointed out, that undergrads are entering an institution that is “single-mindedly and expensively dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge”.
Again - does anyone believe that anyone would characterize UChicago this way?
Some posters - particularly those experienced with the College in the “olden days” - have argued convincingly for the benefits of the College moving away from a “grad-school” feel. But UChicago is NOT what academic rock-star Pinker has described Harvard - and by extension most of the Ivies - to be.
To the point of this thread: How can such an anti-intellectual environment possibly contribute to a student culture in which economic disparities are overlooked and smart and talented kids meet and blend in with different smart and talented kids? Many of those sports and music ensembles sucking up everyone’s time happen to cost a lot of money so are bound to reinforce groupings - and all the requisite camraderie, teamwork, and sense of accomplishment - within similar SES. I have a young relative who is Exhibit A: a top national athlete, she’ll be joining an Ivy this fall to play sports. She’ll be spending a TON of her time on this endeavor and consequently with her teammates, some of whom she undoubtedly already knows. All will have very similar backgrounds and SES status, since there are no athletic scholarships in the Ivy League and all those parents have poured serious money into their children’s athletic development. Will she even have an opportunity to befriend the “smart-and-poor” Jenny Cavilleri types? - first-gen, brilliant kids who undoubtedly also “haunt” the campus? Or will the latter have to make do with debate team,Crimson staff and perhaps hanging out with the other 5% of the class chosen primarily for their brains and who probably DON’T skip class? Not that they won’t make other friends - it’s just that there might be up to 95% of the student body with which they have little-to-nothing in common.