some notes on studying fine art in germany

<p>This post is just me sharing what i've learned about art school here for any of you who may be considering pursuing your study of fine art in germany/europe or doing a study abroad program here. </p>

<p>In general, art schools over here, at least the more renowned ones, seem to
be very loose in structure. The required course of study is usually 5 years after
which students have the freedom to stay on until they are ready to leave. They
don't seem to be as heavy on academic requirements as some US schools though
they do exist (usually a range of philosophy, art theory/history and psychology).
After their first year, students typically join the classes of one (or sometimes two)
professors in which they study for the rest of their time there. These classes aren't
really classes perse where there are material is taught and assignments are set, rather
they tend to function as a series of moderated group discussions of varying frequency
i.e students spend most of their time working independently in their studios and every two to four weeks their professor comes in for a group critique session where students can
talk about their work and get feed back. The classes where information is regularly
administered and assignments given are generally referred to as seminars but these
more often than not occur in German. </p>

<p>In my usual style the two best schools for fine art in germany are generally considered
to be:</p>

<p>The HFBK Staedelschule (frankfurt): They have a slightly more conceptual bent and their students tend to do pretty well in video, photography and installation. Notable professors include Wolfgang Tillmans, Simon Starling, Daniel Birnbaum, Per Kirkeby, Jason Rhoades, </p>

<p>The Kunstakademie Düsseldorf : generally a little less preoccupied with a conceptualist approach than the staedelschule though there is certainly enough of it to be found if you're looking for it. Generally considered more of a school for painting and sculpture, though there is a lot of everything else (particularly installation work). Notable professors include Andreas Gursky, Thomas Ruff, Albert Oehlen, Peter Doig, Tal R, Eberhard Havekost, Joseph Beuys, Richard Deacon etc etc. Pretty much all of the professors here are very accomplished artists coming from wide ranging backgrounds and practices. I can also say from experience that they've got pretty great facilities. </p>

<p>There's also the The HGB Leipzig: They've only recently come into the spotlight since the explosion of the Leipzig School in painting (Neo Rauch and posse). Traditionally they were considered more of a school for graphic arts and design but are making ways into fine art territory. </p>

<p>As well as the UDK Berlin which is a little more structured and not typically considered one of the best though they have a share of famous faculty and a decent amount of money. The most important thing about them is that they are in Berlin which is definitely a plus for anyone interested in art. </p>

<p>What's good about studying in germany? </p>

<p>1 The tuition is dirt cheap. For example the tuition fee at the Kunstakademie is like
250€ a semester.</p>

<p>2 The German State and public generally seem to be more interested in art than most and it's resources are less centralized than others. Pretty much once you're in a major city you can be sure that there will be a few art museums nearby (Düsseldorf has no less than four), some good exhibitions passing through, innumerable exhibition spaces and various competitions/funding opportunities floating about.</p>

<p>3 The structure of these schools is such that it allows students to develop personal relationships with their professors who are all practicing and, in many cases, quite accomplished artists as opposed to being taught by artists fresh out of an mfa program with little to no art world experience. It also tends to be the case that these relationships can be quite beneficial professionally for some students. </p>

<p>4 the general system of education affords a lot more freedom to students in terms of how they work and the kind of work they do.</p>

<p>What's Bad about studying in Germany</p>

<p>1 The big cities in the west of Germany like Düsseldorf aren't exactly cheap to live in though by no means unaffordable</p>

<p>2 The lack of structure, specifically at the staedelschule and the kunstakademie, can be a big issue for some. After the first year there is virtually no pressure on students to make work in any particular time frame. While this is great for independent motivated students a lot of people get lost. As a general rule, I've noticed that the people at the kunstakademie tend to be well past average college age when they start. they're usually early to mid twenties, so perhaps a little more focused. </p>

<p>3 The language barrier. While you will find that most people under forty five, in big cities speak English it is still their second language. You may find it difficult to keep up in large social gatherings and even more difficult to discuss slightly more complicated things like your personal philosophies and views on art etc</p>

<p>Feel free to ask questions</p>

<p>What kinds of graduate programs are available in bigger cities like Berlin? Is Scholarship money available for American students interested in grad school? Daughter is very interested in studying aboard for MFA. Any information is greatly appreciated.</p>

<p>I know in Germany you can get around with just speaking english but at the Kunstakademie Dusseldorf, do I need to know german to go to the school? I was thinking of going there for a post baccalaureate degree and I know they have a program but I wasn’t sure if German was required.</p>

<p>Currently the kunstakademie does not offer post graduate courses in fine art though i think they offer them in architecture and art education. They are currently in the process of establishing a post grad fine art program and they’ve already acquired themselves a new building but I have no idea when they will begin taking students. Honestly I can’t imagine how a postgrad program at the academy would be any different from the current program since it pretty much functions as just a series of moderated critiques with the occasional lecture which is how a lot MFA programs work anyway. </p>

<p>To the best of my knowledge, german art schools have not usually had separate graduate/undergraduate programs in Fine Art; it’s usually just one five year program that people can enter (and similarly leave) at any point. And since things work so differently over here terms like undergrad and graduate studies don’t really apply. That said, the environment here is more suitable, perhaps only suitable, for very independent artists and is more akin to grad school program in art than anything else. </p>

<p>Officially anyone wishing to pursue full time study at the academy must acquire B2 level german proficiency. Though there are some people who’ve managed to get around it.</p>

<p>As a guest student however you are not really required to know german or anything. A lot of people who’ve already finished their first degree come over for a year or more to study under professors they are particularly interested in. The environment of the school is such that it allows people pursue their careers while allowing them to maintain contact with their professors, peers etc. </p>

<p>hope this was of some help.</p>

<p>I am looking to transfer to kunstakademie dusseldorf in the future to study under a respected professor and I’m trying to wrap my head around what I might need before I consider transferring, as far as language proficiency and expenses, etc. I don’t speak german at all right now, so I’m assuming I would be at a great disadvantage. Are class lectures all given german? Also, what are the living expenses like in the area? I’ve unfortunately never had the chance to go to europe, what are the major differences culturally? I know thats a lot to summarize but any information is greatly appreciate.Thanks!
kyle.</p>

<p>Hi
I asked the some of the same thing while ago in another thread.
hope kaelyn can pop in but she ( think she) is quite a glove trottter, might not a while.
this is what she said.
there are few more back and forth reply in "Cooper union for graphic design? " thread page 1-2 sh after this.</p>

<p>-They don’t really have classes per se over here. All they really give you are big studios to work in, access to some good technical facilities (printmaking, woodworking, photo studios etc) and their best wishes. They REALLY emphasize personal direction. There are occasional lectures but my German is hardly good enough. </p>

<p>The system here is typical of state funded German art schools which, contrary to what you might think, can be extremely selective (the average admission rate here is about 5-10%). If anyone is interested, the usual system here is that you do your first year in the Oberreich (their foundation equivalent) then apply to join a particular class. As mentioned, the classes aren’t really “classes” where you get lectures and assignments but rather a series of ongoing group critiques moderated by the professor. There’s usually a colloquium (the group critique) every four to six weeks though this varies from class to class. Some classes, I’m told, only have 3 colloquiums a year. All of the professors here are really accomplished artists, Peter Doig, Tal R, Christoper Williams, Markus Lupertz, Anthony Cragg etc. And since many of the professors are not themselves German, their colloquiums are held in English.</p>

<p>If you join as a “gasthörer” (their equivalent of an exchange student) like me you won’t need to meet the German language requirements. But, if you decide you want to enroll here as a full time student you will need to have C1 German proficiency (i.e near native proficiency). Not to worry though, I have met a number of students who have bypassed that requirement by means of sheer talent or… otherwise.</p>

<p>The period of study here is indeterminate. Some students only study here for three or four years before graduating while others only leave after eight. In order to graduate, instead of meeting a traditional credit requirement or completing a predetermined course of study, students must pass their “leaving exam” in which a student’s work and progress is reviewed by the academy staff. The thing that was most surprising to me about the academy is that students can not simply apply for a place in a class and expect to get it. Instead they must seek out the individual professors and arrange to have them review their work. Furthermore, after the first year, students are not guaranteed a place in a class as there are in fact several students who don’t get accepted to any classes. </p>

<p>It’s not absolutely necessary to learn German over here though it helps immensely. Most Germans speak at least basic English and pretty much every German under 30 can have a functioning conversation in English. However, you will hardly find anything written in English which can be a pain. </p>

<p>Just thought I’d put all of that out there in case anyone was interested.</p>

<p>Kyle</p>

<p>Quick responses to your questions.</p>

<p>Officially to be a full time student (transfer or otherwise) you should have acquired or be in the process of acquiring B2 level German proficiency (i was wrong about C1 before).</p>

<p>Also, I don’t think you can just transfer into the school, you have to join a professor’s class directly. This is something you will have to organize with the professor himself. i.e. you would need to get into contact with the professor or his/her tutor in order to join their class. </p>

<p>What might be a good solution is to try to join a professor’s class as a guest student so that you won’t be required to meet any language requirements and then join the class as an official student after a semester when you’ve learned some german and gotten to know if the school/professor is right for you. </p>

<p>Some professors, like Doig, Tal R, Mc Bride, Williams etc hold their colloquiums in English so participating in their classes would require no German at all. The seminars however, which are the actual taught classes, i.e lecture sequences with assignments etc, are almost all in German. </p>

<p>I would recommend budgeting about 800€ a month overall for living expenses. It is very possible to live on less (about 600€ a month) but it takes a little know how. </p>

<p>for the record i am a guy
more soon.</p>

<p>Guten Tag Kaelyn, I’m currently in the 2nd year of my fine art degree at Sydney College of the Arts in Australia, and am looking to move to the northern hemisphere to pursue a career in this field (as that is where the art world is). My dutch Professor says that Kunstakademie Dusseldorf(and that european model for art education) is the best in the world in terms of educational institutions. I plan on studying in Deutschland as the UK has very expensive tuition fees for foreign students and the USA is more curriculum based(I prefer self directed work). Which German art institutions would you recommend? Would I even need to further pursue study in Germany to make connections in the artworld?, Or is it accessible enough to network in the artworld for anyone living in say Berlin without prior connections through universities? Also do you know which institutions have available funding for foreign students? What advice would you give me?(btw I am in the process of learning german)
(I also know that living costs[big factor] in Frankfurt would be higher then in Berlin or Leipzig)</p>

<p>allo carl</p>

<p>Whichever school you go to depends on the kind of work. If you do more traditional/romantic
type work, especially if it’s in the vein of sculpture and painting, you should probably come to the kunstakademie düsseldorf. If you are more into new media, installation and more conceptually oriented work you should probably go to the staedelschule in Frankfurt. There’s the UdK in Berlin which is (i think) more conceptually/new media oriented as well as the HFBK Hamburg which i have very little idea about. The kunstakademie and the staedel are usually thought the best places to go. </p>

<p>I think Berlin is like London and New York when it comes to their art scene. They are completely over saturated with artists, good, bad, everything in between. Everyone is trying to get someone to look at their work. I think you’d have to be very special socially AND artistically to move their without any connections/long term plan and start some kind of career. Other than that though it’s an amazing city and still relatively cheap (compared to other parts of germany). But perhaps it’s better to start out in a smaller place with a smaller art scene than move directly to berlin. I know a few people currently regretting their moves to berlin. </p>

<p>I think most of the universities offer some kind of bursary for students with a low income background or some other kind of demonstrated need. I think if you want a free ride though, you’ll have to look into a DAAD grant. There’s also a book, if you’re german’s good enough, detailing a large selection of available residencies, scholarships, funds etc available to artists in germany.</p>

<p>[Künstlerförderung</a>, Kunstpreise und Stipendien: Ein Leitfaden für die Förderung Bildender Künstler: Ein Leitfaden für die Förderung Bildender Künstler inklusive europäische Kunstpreise und Stipendien: Amazon.de: Ingo Maas: Bücher](<a href=“http://www.amazon.de/Künstlerförderung-Kunstpreise-Stipendien-Leitfaden-europäische/dp/3980829871/ref=pd_cp_b_0]Künstlerförderung”>http://www.amazon.de/Künstlerförderung-Kunstpreise-Stipendien-Leitfaden-europäische/dp/3980829871/ref=pd_cp_b_0)</p>

<p>I’d say pick a school and go there. I think it does make a difference plus its a good jumping board to other things</p>

<p>thanks for the fast reply and detailed info(and the link), the dusseldorf kunstakademie sounds appropriate because I often make representational paintings, the professors Doig and R also appeal because I like their work(and they hold their classes in english). I think I’ll just try and do the whole guest student thing once I have enough money to live in Germany. It’s very interesting that you know people that have regret moving to Berlin. Because it seems globally, a lot of artists are going(or trying to go) there. Also, out of curiosity, where are you studying now?, and is it good?</p>

<p>at the Kunstakademie Düsseldorf.
I have some reservations but most
people think it’s great or at least quite
good. I think for almost everyone
studying here, the Kunstakademie was
their first choice school.</p>

<p>Some people regret berlin since it’s much
easier to start your career rolling in other
parts of germany. at least that’s what I’ve been
told.</p>

<p>kaelyn:
do you know any good summer residential program in German?</p>

<p>Hi there, this thread came in a grat time for me so many thanks to kaelyn who started it. Till now l was preparing to apply to mfa programs in painting in US. But then l started looking more closer at the art academies in Germany and l realy liked hfbk Hamburg. l contacted their admissions office about some more details concerning foreign students and the lady answerd my questions nicely and also told that it is very hard to get a place in their master program because they admit one student per professor.l’m guessing that’s less then five, or some awfull number bellow.</p>

<pre><code> So is there anyone who knows anything more about this, the number of students applying and of those admitted? What kind of style do they go for there? Also, since somwhere in the future l would like to go to an art phd program, does anyone know or have some idea wheather the mfa’s in Germany(Hamburg) offer a good base for those things. l’m just wondering, since kealyn pointed some noticeble differences between the US mfa and of that in Germany. US programs have the advantage of possibility of geting TA positions while in program(which is a good jumping board for further academic pursue), while in Germany, as kaelyn said, student is more free to arrange the timeframe for his work as he sees fit( which is very appealing to me and agrees with the way l work)

Any thoughts or advise would be much appreciated!
Thanx!
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<p>kaelyn…you are on my mind!!! how are things going? where are you these days?</p>

<p>hello kaelyn, im so glad that i found a forum like this one… well i have some questions for you i would like to know 2 things the university is in english too? or it is very important to know german to enter here, and on the other hand i would like to know the prices for foreing students in this academy thank you very much.</p>

<p>Hello Kaelyn. i have some question for you. :). do they have figure painting/ drawing class, sketching and anatomy in Dresden academy of fine art? i have visit their page and didn’t see anything about that…</p>

i am looking for a fine art or design undergraduate degree with most flexible curriculum in germany or austria
is Staedelschule or Universität für angewandte Kunst Wien(University of Applied Arts Vienna) a good choice?
what About:
1.Universität der Künste Berlin
2.Hochschule für bildende Künste Hamburg
3.Offenbach University of Art and Design
4.Köln International School of Design
5.Bauhaus-Universität Weimar

i Forget Academy of Fine Arts Vienna.
what about it?