<p>Oh come on.... don't you find the shirts you wear all semester a bit too superficial and soooo cliche? That one shirt with a starbucks logo saying ALPHA DELTA PI equates your sorority with the quality of... errhmm... coffee! You girls can really do better than that by the way, like organizing a CHILLI COOKOFF with um SIGMA CHI!!! And, by the way, when four ADPi girls in a class wear the same freaking starbucks shirt, it frankly just gets a bit too much :) Like meilli says, "I agree, on some days I love the Starbucks logo shirts, on other days I feel like we're advertising Starbucks." </p>
<p>I love how you're admitting that sorority girls are acting bad because they look down on other sororities. And I AM very much sure you don't spread rumors of other sororities ;) Also, there's no need for me to know majority of the girls in a sorority to attest to their personalities. I think knowing a sorority girl is enough to make my judgment. With that, I have made up my own mind, so thank you very much. Sororities here so insecure that they need to wear their shirt right during finals just so they can advertise themselves. They have done so to the extent of asking guys to wear shirts that promote their girl friends' sororities. Commercialization, anyone?</p>
<p>I discourage all of you from rushing in January. Please do not promote the racial segregation that predominantly exists in greek life!</p>
<p>tenniscraze's bigotry is ironic in the same way that Clayton Bigsby's bigotry is ironic. I encourage people to ignore his inane rants, particularly on this thread where his baseless, silly ideas might be taken to heart by some unsuspecting first year. Not that he hasn't made helpful contributions in the past on this board, but I think most of you have picked up on his general tone of irrational nastiness.</p>
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<p>Wait, when did I say that? I'm pretty sure I said that nobody I know in my sorority or in other sororities wastes their time playa-hatin' on other organizations. We're too classy. tenniscraze, don't hate us 'cause you ain't us.</p>
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<p>Really? So would knowing one Black person be enough to judge all Black people?</p>
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<p>It's fun to show our pride. You don't ever wear UVA logo gear? Or clothes from your favorite sports team? Maybe some of us are proud to be associated with a fun, smart, proactive group of women on campus.</p>
<p>Too classy is perhaps an overrated term to describe sorority girls when, in fact, a lot of them are so insecure about themselves. That's why they need to be in a group of girls; they cannot express themselves and branch out individually to others. Also you're talking about a wider category of individuals - race in this case. Sororities can be narrowed down further and furthermore, they have a long-standing tradition of excluding individuals that are deemed incompetent by social standards. The irony is that some of these individuals who force themselves upon greek life - even though they know deeply that they're not compatible with its ideas and philosophy - end up being stuck in the system itself. And yet, they aren't ashamed of it. Ways to counter such self-conscious feelings are usually through heavily promoting their sororities by forcing other sorority sisters to wear obnoxious shirts or chalking for example. I think associating your sorority with being 'fun, smart, proactive' is a bit of an overstatement. It's a bit too idealistic and therefore unrealistic. :)</p>
<p>I think a few of you might need to think about what you're doing here...</p>
<p>What do you hope to provide prospective students and their parents with your posts on this message board?</p>
<p>Why aren't you extolling the virtues of organizations you love? Why cut down ones to which you don't belong; ones that other students enjoy?</p>
<p>Tennis, your posts seem to be turning people away from you, not from Greek life. Maybe you can find a topic about which you can be enthusiastic? I hate to think of you sitting in your room, fuming at the keyboard, as you dash off another tirade about frats and sororities. Everyone is aware of the positives and negatives of Greek life. Maybe it's time to move on and not be the top poster on threads about Greek orgs.</p>
<p>Hi Dean J!! Thanks for your wisdom. I know that I'm going to rush in January and can't wait! I'm studying hard for exams right now, so Christmas break, followed by sorority rush sounds like so much fun!
I personally love the way that UVA has scheduled rush to be at the end of our Christmas break and not during the start of classes. So many of my friends at other institutions are so surprised and impressed with our system. It's a keeper!</p>
<p>Dean J's role as an admissions officer, of course, is to avoid discussing negative attitudes of the social and academic aspects of UVA at all costs - and this does not paint a realistic picture. To help prospective students make their choices - whether to join greek life or apply to UVA - they need to be informed of not only positive things but also criticisms. I like the direction this thread is heading, because we have members of greek life and critics of frats and sororities like myself giving different opinions to help prospective students make informed decisions. </p>
<p>And no, I don't sit around in my room all day to be the top poster about greek life in UVA. It happens to be a topic in which I have a great passion to argue against.</p>
<p>Dean J, you rock!! Thanks as always for your input! I'm going out for tri-Delta, but am considering all my options. I even have all my outfits picked out!
Oh, and I think that "wise" is a good word for you.</p>
<p>Tennis - There is a difference between painting the entire picture and refusing to accept that some people actually like the system. You're not helping prospective students, you're rejecting the "positive attitudes" flat out.</p>
<p>I don't mean to discredit you, I'm not a current student. I don't have any experience with fraternities or sororities. But other current students are extremely happy with greek life.</p>
<p>Is that so hard to believe? You've made your point, and I'm glad you provided information other people didn't. But I wasn't grateful the second time. Or the third time.</p>
<p>Or anytime else. You're not helping anyone anymore.</p>
<p>And maybe the person wants to look into Tri-Delta because she actually likes somebody in it, and somehow wants to be a part of it.</p>
<p>Such is the nature of bigotry, kknight. It's redundant, it's irrational and it doesn't cease. Just realize that UVA is filled with people who are much more pleasant and tolerant.</p>
<p>powderpuff, I'm excited for you to Rush. I hope you find an organization you love! :)</p>
<p>jimmyjam, don't get too focused on any one sorority. I ended up cutting the sorority I thought I wanted to be in in the beginning! There's a really good chance you will end up feeling very differently by the end of Rush after you meet all the girls and see all the great possibilities. (Also, this is a little paranoid, but you might not want to mention the sororities you like or don't like on the internet...if anyone knew who you were and knew that you only wanted to be a TriDelt, they might cut you from their houses because they think you're not interested, and you might end up realizing that TriDelt isn't the place for you.)</p>
<p>tenniscraze, despite what you may think, I love being a part of Greek life and DO believe that the girls in my sorority are an inspiring, brilliant, fun, and amazing group of women. By the way, before you go judging, you should know that my sorority has an average GPA higher than the overall university average (more than half of my organization has a GPA higher than 3.5), and we also have the most Echols and Jefferson scholars, as well as the Presidents of various other activities and four girls on the Lawn this year alone. Yeah, we're really a bunch of dumb sorostitutes and sluts. And, by the way, we're not one of your "reject" sororities, either.</p>
<p>semiserious,
Thanks for your response, I really enjoyed reading it!
Your advice is good about keeping an open mind (and my mouth shut). I'm not really sold on Tri-Delt, I just have a friend whose sister is in TriDelt at another university, so it comes to mind. Rush sounds like so much fun. Thanks again for your advice, and perhaps our paths will cross in January!</p>
<p>Haha, I'm sure they will jimmyjam. :) Best of luck with everything, I'm sure you will do great! Rush really worked out for everyone I know who was honest and openminded. Just be yourself and you'll find your home.</p>
<p>Ah, thank you Dean J for making a post. Seriously guys, the best response to him is to skip your eyes right over his posts. He refuses to carry on a respectful, open minded conversation with anyone.</p>