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He says it’s sort of a “bait thread.” Maybe he’s a reluctant ■■■■■. Trolling is not for the bashful my friend. :)</p>
<p>I’d give the OP the benefit of the doubt. But if the OP hoped he’s have a thread that would prove one way or the other that HYP grads go onto gloriously wealthy lives after college or that HYP doesn’t provide any benefits this thread certainly doesn’t support either…and no thread ever would.</p>
<p>Didn’t read the entire thread, someone may have posted it already, if so, sorry for duplication.
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Engineering in general ($55k, $81k, $100k)
Computer Science ($50k, $81k, $96k)
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<p>Is this now the “Potpourri” thread?</p>
<p>Price of sirloin steak, 1919, 44 cents a pound</p>
<p>For HYPS grads and everyone else, just to make an attempt to address the topic.</p>
<p>I think what OP was trying to get at is a question that surfaces often on CC – what determines success? </p>
<p>Let me just say my definition of success has changed since I was 18. It used to be having a big house or having lots of money. Now it’s being healthy, in body and mind, having friends and being a good friend to others, and enjoying your life, whether you have money or not, whether you’re in a relationship or not.</p>
<p>I think college can be a life transforming experience for some, and not for others. I think you can graduate from any school (HYPS included) and not be able to enjoy your life or find meaningful work. I think how you were raised, how your parents treated you, how you view yourself factor in much more than where you go to school.</p>
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<p>My husband graduated from Harvard many moons ago, but you would never know it by the external possessions we have . We both drive 10 year old cars , because they function well and the insurance is very low , because we have 1000 dollar deductibles and no collision . Our house is fully paid off . We have 0 debt . We are not into " Bling " . We use our money for charity ,and take wonderful vacations . My D is currently a Sophomore at Harvard and is a Planetary Science /Earth Science Major . She wanted to attend Harvard because of the incredible educational opportunities . She doesn’t care about a 6 figure income . I have met many people in this HYPS catagory who have similar values . I am sure this is not the answer you thought you would get . I do know people in the " Flashy " category , but they are not our friends . They often wear HYP sweatshirts , drive the latest Mercedes , have overly large houses ,etc . I hope I provided some useful "bait ".</p>
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<p>Exodus of Workers From Continent Reverses Old Patterns
January 14, Wall St Journal</p>
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<p>One of the older tennis players at my club is always wearing Harvard sweatshirts during the spring, fall and winter. Maybe he got a really good deal on a bulk purchase.</p>
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What happened to the military academies?</p>
<p>Good point - I think that the surveys just do national universities. Do the military academies fall into that category?</p>
<p>Using surveys of nearly 10,000 students from more than 660 of the top colleges and universities in the United States, the researchers graded each school on the following criteria:</p>
<pre><code>Student Bodies: Students’ gender, height, weight and weight gained or lost since beginning college.
Exercise: A measure of students’ participation in weekly vigorous and leisurely physical activity.
Bad Habits: A summary of how much fast food, alcohol and cigarettes students consumed on a weekly basis, along with how much time was spent participating in sedentary activities (other than studying), like watching TV or playing video games.
Other Lifestyle Choices: Supplement use, amount of sleep per night, and significant others’ influence on fitness goals.
Campus Culture of Fitness: Physical fitness requirements (or recommendations) and student opinions on the overall fitness of their school and whether the campus promotes physical activity.
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<p>The grades from each category were averaged to form the final grade. And the survey says:</p>
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<p>What’s wrong with showing alum love? </p>
<p>Am a bit sensitive about this because I was once berated by extended family for wearing my NYC public STEM high school sweatshirt to a casual family get-together while their much older private/boarding school grad kiddies got away with wearing sweatshirts from their private prep/boarding schools. Kinda weird considering they tend to regard the private/boarding schools to be universally better…jealousy much? :p</p>
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<p>Probably not included because physical fitness standards are mandatory for all students so they probably didn’t think it would be a fair comparison. </p>
<p>Incidentally…the Federal military academies were regarded as being nearly-on par/on par with HYPSMC by most HS classmates. </p>
<p>If one goes by numbers admitted…far more kids were admitted to each of the HYPSMC than to the Federal military academies…even accounting for the fact fewer kids tended to apply due to reasons ranging from lack of desire for military career, Pacifist beliefs, or restraint from overprotective parents.</p>
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I don’t know. The survey says it is from the top colleges and univeristies in the country. I suspect they don’t include the acadeimes, because I suspect they are in pretty good shape, at least as far as something like BMI and exercise ability. I think they have requirements. I don’t know what the diet is like though.</p>
<p>I’m not trying to ■■■■■. I was just curious. People on here talk about how the ivy league opens up big doors and I was wondering how much of a difference going to HYPS made in a persons life.</p>
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<p>It’s really, really hard to say because you don’t know how a person would have turned out if they didn’t go there. They may have been just as successful going to a third-tier or not going to college at all. Those attributes attractive to HYPS may have resulted in success wherever they went to.</p>
<p>@bovertine, a few mentioned about the being born into a rich family matters perhaps more than HYPS education … so I remembered the recent article and posted here. well, it may have been a “Potpourri” post or 2.</p>
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I know. I was just kidding around.</p>
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My European niece came to visit last year and got off the airplane sporting a Brown sweatshirt. I’m certain nobody she knows has ever been in Rhode Island, let alone attended Brown. I’m not certain she even knew it was a school.</p>
<p>I don’t think I ever wore anything with any type of logo or writing on it in my life, unless they made me for work, or school sports, or something. Or had a logo of any kind on my car (unless it was there when I bought it). Maybe I would if I went to HYP instead of UCSD/UCLA. Of course, around here they sell UCLA and USC garb at JC Penneys.</p>
<p>Edit: To be honest, I wear ball caps with logos on them to cover my delicate balding head. Generally they are swag I get at a conference or from companies I associate with for one reason or another.</p>
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Nothing wrong with that. I, of course, never stray from the topic of the thread. I consider it an assignment. :)</p>
<p>you can tell from my post immediately proceeding this one.</p>
<p>I went to a HYPS in the late 70’s. The “products”/my classmates from that era (the bridge between the hippie/protest days and the more conservative 80’s) were overall pretty unmaterialistic and not very career-oriented while they were there.</p>
<p>There were MANY MANY who became lawyers (was this a default choice, I wondered even back then), some at the big competitive firms, and many in smaller towns. Many went into teaching and academia. Some became journalists, correspondents, politicians. A good number were pre-med. I am not in the know about the STEM UG’s. </p>
<p>Interest in business and in finance (despite a good number of econ majors) was minimal compared to even the 80’s, when the bubble of interest began to really build. I can speak to that as I was was one of the very few (maybe two of us?) females who ended up on Wall St within the first five years of graduating, before the bubble began, in my case via a commercial bank training program. When I started on Wall St in 1980, I was a “test-case” for a non-clerical female employee! I was a double-pioneer, both as a woman and as an Ivy grad. There were just a few female sales-people, traders, research analysts in the early 80’s. Being on the trading floor, in particular, was really a blue collar environment (compared to now, the province of CS nerds and techies…)</p>
<p>Notably, despite my very “flaky” literature major, I became one of the two highest paid women in my Ivy class, even though being self-sufficient and independent were truly my only goals- I “fell” into this Wall St world, for better (financially) or for worse. I was really the only Ivy grad (male or female) outside of Investment Banking, save for a few of the research analysts here and there, from 1980-1990.
I did pursue at night an MBA paid for by my firm, feeling I that as a woman I needed to “prove” my seriousness and commitment to the field.</p>
<p>Being female, being well-educated, from an Ivy, with an MBA in sales, probably hurt more then helped in that environment at that time.</p>
<p>My liberal arts education with a bias towards humanities did not hurt me or help me skill-wise, but I felt I was gaining yet another perspective looking at the world through the lenses of financial markets and financial statements using the language of accounting. In addition, I was exposed to a whole new culture, lots of politics, all sorts of crazy characters of human beings who spilled emotions right and left- quite a stew it was!
Being in sales meant I was not well-respected outside of my field, but it did give me control of my destiny, which turned out to be very important as a woman on Wall St. The time I spent on Wall St was a huge education for me- much of it was a counter to what I learned in the Ivy Tower!</p>
<p>I do feel that the combo of a humanities major, a bank training program, an MBA, 10 years on Wall St working with securities of entities in all industries from all over the world, sales, managing and working with people did make me a well-engaged and productive citizen of the world.
Today I would need much more skill with computers, quant, and software to enter and survive in this field. How to do that is the new Q, can it be done with an humanities major from an Ivy or LAC?..</p>
<p>This may be a rambly post, but there are many issues I am pointing to. There are trends. There are hot fields, There are changes in attitudes. Even at Ivies.</p>
<p>In this day and age, the computer-based technical skills required of traders and sales people on Wall St has gone way up.
And I think that commercial bank training programs may have virtually disappeared, at least as an option for the liberal arts/humanities major under-grads…
I also detect an ambivalence or “torn-ness” about money-seeking and pre-professionalism at the Ivies these days that I did not see while I attended one so many years ago.
As to the plight of women, things have gotten easier, but they are still more difficult in capital-carving/controlling/large transaction fields these days- you do not see many women running trading desks, PE firms, and the like even these days! </p>
<p>Overall, the bar is higher technically and also in terms of post-grad degrees, IMO. Maybe the bar is even higher for women still, too: better school, higher level of degree, more technical skills from day one- I just don’t know, but these are all questions to ask when evaluating the OP’s question.</p>