Spanish or Latin???

<p>Here’s something I wrote from a teacher’s perspective last year. Maybe it will help your decision making process:</p>

<p>Because of our own language’s profound debt to the Latin, the young student of Latin can begin to “translate” English, often without the need of a dictionary. A working knowledge of simple Latin roots, prefixes, and suffixes, will enable a 13-year old student to ascertain the meaning of many “million-dollar” English words without ever consulting a reference. But far more than any practical application, it is the process of learning grammar and translating that has enshrined Latin as a pillar of classical education. Rather than spout statistics proving that Latin comes in handy on the SAT’s (Because I think they got rid of analogies, anyway), I’d like to focus on three less practical reasons for the study of Latin. I say that Latin is valuable in classical education because it is old, difficult, and worthless.</p>

<p>First, Latin is practically worthless. I don’t mean that in quite the way you might think. What Latin does to the student is more important than what the student does with Latin. To be sure, language is a means of communication. Until the final, or “Rhetoric” stage, however, the classical educator is not so much concerned with the student’s ability to communicate ideas, but rather with his capacity to receive them. In fact, we are convinced that the latter must precede the former. Make no mistake, our students are having no difficulty in expressing themselves–this is the information age. Instant messaging, blogs, cell phones, MySpace, you name it – our students are expressing themselves in quite a variety of ways. Oftentimes, self-expression bleeds inappropriately into the classroom.</p>

<p>Language is, in addition to being a tool of communication, the mechanism that drives thought; as the scope and depth of our language shrivels, our capacity for deep and significant thought suffers accordingly. What we are interested in is not mere self-expression, but a well informed, thoughtful, and eloquent student. The student of rhetoric cannot speak well until he has first learned to listen. It is the “listening” rather than the “communicating” nature of Latin study that makes it so valuable within the classical curriculum. One learns Latin, not to speak with Cicero or with Augustine, but to sit at their feet, to receive and understand their thoughts. Because of conversational emphasis, the study of a modern language falls somewhat short of this “receptive ideal.”</p>

<p>If language is the mechanism of thought, translation is thought itself. The student is presented with a thought contained in a puzzle; he extracts the meaning, and then reinterprets and represents the thought. This can be a difficult process, but only in this way may the student learn to “own” ideas. Either while here, or afterwards at university, any subject to which the student applies himself can be conceived of as a text. The earlier we foster this receptivity in the student, the easier it becomes for him to translate any “discipline-text” at later, more crucial stages of intellectual development. In the study of Chemistry, for example, one must first master the language of elements, and the grammar of chemical geometry; only after years of internalizing chemical mechanics, “translating” complex reactions, can the student presume to undertake chemical engineering.</p>

<p>In addition to being so useless and difficult, then, Latin has the additional advantage of being old. If the primary intention of studying Latin is not what is translated, but the act of translation itself, then it is a secondary benefit of Latin that its texts are of great intellectual value. If the student bears through the slow, agonizing years of mastering Latin grammar, he is presented with the opportunity to practice the newly-acquired art of translation on the philosophy of Cicero, the history of Caesar, and the sublime poetry of Virgil. This provides an exciting contact with the ancient world; the world into which Christianity was born, a world which it conquered and eventually adopted.</p>

<p>I ought to say now something about Greek. It is (typically) only after the student has mastered the process and receptive attitude of translation that we allow him to engage the primary texts of the Christian faith in the original language. The relative complexity of Greek grammar nearly requires a previous study of Latin, and the act of translating God’s Word carries with it more weight and responsibility than the student’s previous linguistic education. But as Greek is not currently a requirement, let me close in saying again that it is the attitude of translation, rather than expression, which we find so alluring in Latin studies. We hope that, in whatever language or media the student is confronted with a thought, a political debate, a newspaper article, a poem, or a television commercial, his study of Latin will provide the tools of thought necessary to discern clearly the meaning of the text, and to articulate a proper response.</p>

<p>I will be the skeptic here.</p>

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The author is arguing, essentially, that “listening” is educationally superior is conversing, that a language that forces you to “listen” is a superior language to learn. This is a claim that merits deep skepticism. Firstly, the author does not really provide any reasons to support that idea. Using vague words like the “receptive ideal,” the author seems to employ a classic technique in the humanities: an idea that is presented eloquently must be true, by sole virtue of its eloquence.</p>

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The author seems to make the claim that in struggling to puzzle out the meaning of a text that is written in a foreign language, the translator gains a deeper understanding of the text. I would agree that this is true. But this is not something exclusive to Latin. This also applies to a language like Spanish. By this logic, one should learn Arabic or Chinese instead of Latin, since those languages are so much more difficult to translate than Latin.</p>

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This “advantage” is not exclusive to Latin. You can read translations of Latin works in English.</p>

<p>Nate, I think that, and my teachers agree with me, that Latin is closer to math than another language. You use building blocks to get to certain meanings, you change one part of a word for a different result. You translate the sentence in a specific order and match the right words together. Latin is like an equation or a puzzle, and you get the same kind of gratification when you translate it.</p>

<p>Thank you to everyone that replied! I have taken everything you guys have said into consideration. </p>

<p>Realistically, I don’t see myself being able to learn Latin on one years time. Having 5 AP classes to juggle, my multitude of EC’s, and studying for the SAT/ACT are my number one priority right now. </p>

<p>I know that I am missing out on a truly fascinating language by making this decision. But there is always college. Definitely going to take it then! :slight_smile: </p>

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