Spring Admit and Fall Program for Freshmen

<p>Can anyone shed some light on why Berkeley does Spring admits? I know it has something to do with space availability, but it still doesn't make sense to me why I can't take classes on campus and live off-campus in the fall. </p>

<p>Also, I'm in the process of registering for the Fall Program for Freshmen and I'm curious as to the program's usefulness. I understand that it allows freshmen to fill general ed requirements, but what if AP Credits already cover those? Can I take higher level classes (or classes towards my major) in the fall if I'm not admitted until the spring?</p>

<p>Thanks everyone.</p>

<p>Basically, with spring admits, UC Berkeley is trying to get a thousand or so extra students that they otherwise wouldn’t have room for. In the spring they have a little more room than they do in the fall, because they have people that graduate early, drop out, or study abroad. As far as I am aware, the process by which they select who are spring admits are random, so don’t view it as you weren’t good enough to get into the fall; view it as UC berkeley trying to do everything it can so it can admit as many qualified students as possible.</p>

<p>I did FPF last semester. As for it’s usefulness, I mean, the schedule should be online. If there are enough classes that you want to take you should definitely go for it. The classes are just the same as they would be on campus, and you could argue they’re better because they’re a lot smaller (my largest lecture had less than 100 people), and many of the discussion sections are led by the professors. They aren’t going to let you take any classes on-campus in the fall; they’re pretty strict on that, so you won’t be able to take any classes that aren’t listed on the FPF website. I thought it was still worth it though because of the social value of living in the dorms and meeting new people. If you’re really serious about wanting to take more advanced classes, it would probably be worth it to go to community college for the first semester, especially if you’re in the college of engineering since there are no technical courses other than math 1A and 1B, and they only have English and Rhetoric for the R&C requirements.</p>

<p>Hope this helps!</p>

<p>Every university has a finite capacity - that is not just for dorm space but also for classrooms - numbers of seats across all the rooms, professors and grad assistants to handle classes, etc. The admissions group of every university wants to keep the university at capacity; not overloaded, nor leaving resources wasted.</p>

<p>They also know that not every accepted student will matriculate. Some will choose other schools, a few will fail to meet the conditions of acceptance, some decide to do other things rather than attend college . . .</p>

<p>Here is the logic, using some totally invented numbers to illustrate the point:</p>

<p>University capacity is 50,000 and is currently full.</p>

<p>10,000 will graduate this Spring and another 500 over the summer. In addition, 500 transfer out or drop out. That would leave the campus population at 39,000 in Fall. Goal - matriculate 11,000 students.</p>

<p>However, more students will graduate in Fall - by the end of Fall, perhaps 2,800 are set up to graduate and another 200 will leave for various reasons. That means another 3,000 can be handled in Spring. </p>

<p>Thus, plan to accept enough applications to yield 11,000 walking onto campus in Fall and other 3,000 entering in Spring. This is why Cal offers spring admissions. Otherwise, they would have open space being wasted every spring and summer (or overcrowd the campus creating problems for everybody in the Fall). </p>

<p>The dorms are not the critical constraint. They can handle some, but not all, of the spring admits in the area, if the classroom requirements are addressed by the Extension and not the campus space, thus they have a subset of the spring admit population they can service with the FPF program, until that classroom and staff resource is filled, the rest would take classes at home before arriving in spring. </p>

<p>PS - to get 11,000 entering in Fall and 3,000 more in Spring, you need to offer more than 11,000 + 3,000 yes decisions, to cover those that choose to go to Princeton or Pomona or UVa or whereever. The university tracks the historical patterns and knows fairly well what percentage or yield they will get on campus next year. If the yield is 50%, to make the math easy, then they would issue 22,000 Fall accepts and 6,000 Spring accepts. They use more granularity than this - OOS applicant yield might be 33%, thus offer 3X the desired OOS population, while in-state might be 66% in general and 75% from specific areas. Adjust the acceptances DOWN for those areas with high historical yields. Spring yield different from Fall yield, CoE yield different than L&S yield . …</p>

<p>You can’t AP out of breadth, so you can get those out of the way. Additionally, if you’re past 1A or 1B, you can petition for concurrent enrollment for 53/54 BEFORE school starts. ucbalumnus made a useful thread on math courses - check it out.</p>

<p>In COE you can use AP out of up to 2 breadth courses, one of which can be an R&C A course.</p>

<p>For math courses, see <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1305840-freshman-math-faq.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-california-berkeley/1305840-freshman-math-faq.html&lt;/a&gt; (spring admits wanting to take a course more advanced than Math 1B should see post 4 of that thread).</p>

<p>Universities commonly have higher enrollment in fall than spring, because early or late graduations tend to result in students having extra fall semesters (e.g. 4 fall + 3 spring for early graduates, or 5 fall + 4 spring for late graduates). Starting some students in spring is a way of balancing out the enrollment to avoid “wasting” capacity that is not quickly adjusted (tenured faculty, graduate student instructors, buildings).</p>

<p>I’ve spent a couple of summers in Berkeley and always considered People’s Park to be one of the sketchiest places in the city. Are there any safety worries considering that the FPF campus is right next to the park?</p>

<p>Nah during the day it’s fine.</p>

<p>If you’re that worried walk around unit 2 to get there haha</p>