<p>Emeraldkity, the USNWR ranks Cal Poly 4th among non-doctoral Engineering programs, not 4th among undergraduate programs. But of the non-doctoral programs, only 2 (Harvey Mudd and Rose Hulman) are considered to be competitive with the top programs that offer doctoral degrees. So #4 among non-doctoral programs isn't the same as 4th among doctoral pograms. Cal Poly isn't equal to Caltech. Cornell, Northwestern and Princeton aren't even ranked among the top 10 among such programs. Do you honestly believe that Cal Poli is as good as those programs?</p>