Stanford Pre-Law

Is Stanford Pre-law good ?

I noticed that only 10 students entered Yale Law School ?
Most Stanford undergrads are focused on employment at start-up and tech firm ?

Amherst College (14)
Brown University (21)
Columbia University (38)
Cornell University (14)
Dartmouth College (28)
Duke University (11)
Harvard University (70)
Princeton University (34)
Swarthmore College (8)
University of California at Berkeley (18)
University of Chicago (13)
University of Pennsylvania (16)
University of Southern California (8)
Williams College (14)
Yale University (78)


Stanford University (10) – Only 10 from Stanford ???
10 is a very small numbers.

Maybe Stanford is not a good choice fore Pre-Law ?

Stanford is a good choice for everything. It is probably the world’s best university at the moment.

How many entered Stanford Law school??

The followings are the current Supreme Court Justices.
100 % are from either Harvard Law or Yale Law.

How come no one is from Stanford Law ?
Is Stanford Law considered as first class school ?

John G. Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice of the United States, (Harvard Law School)
Anthony M. Kennedy, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)
Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice, (Yale Law School)
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)-- Columbia Law
Stephen G. Breyer, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)
Samuel A. Alito, Jr., Associate Justice, (Yale Law School)
Sonia Sotomayor, Associate Justice, (Yale Law School)
Elena Kagan, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)
Neil M. Gorsuch, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)

The followings are the current Supreme Court Justices.
100 % are from either Harvard Law or Yale Law.

How come no one is from Stanford Law ?
Is Stanford Law considered as first class school ?

John G. Roberts, Jr., Chief Justice of the United States, (Harvard Law School)
Anthony M. Kennedy, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)
Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice, (Yale Law School)
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)-- Columbia Law
Stephen G. Breyer, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)
Samuel A. Alito, Jr., Associate Justice, (Yale Law School)
Sonia Sotomayor, Associate Justice, (Yale Law School)
Elena Kagan, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)
Neil M. Gorsuch, Associate Justice, (Harvard Law School)

HLS and YLS are probably better than SLS if you’re looking to enter academia or the judiciary. We’re not here to sell Stanford to you. Don’t apply if you believe it is a subpar university.

The reincarnation of nycfan.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2005/12/6/net-effects-harvard-is-no-stranger/

Until a few years ago, there were two Stanford Law graduates (and classmates, to boot) on the Supreme Court: Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justice Sandra Day O’Connor. Although the last person President Obama nominated (unsuccessfully) to the Supreme Court was a Harvard Law (and Harvard College) graduate, the other person widely known to have been under consideration for that nomination, Judge Sri Srinivasan, is a Stanford BA, JD, and MBA. There are plenty of Stanford Law graduates on Federal Courts of Appeals, the level just below the Supreme Court.

Notwithstanding Rehnquist and O’Connor (and a host of other prominent alumni from the 40s and 50s, like Warren Christopher, Shirley Hufstedler, Frank Church, and, yes, John Erlichman), Stanford didn’t really come into its own as a top law school on a par with Yale and Harvard until the 1970s, long after the older current justices graduated, and even now I think Harvard has more people than either Yale or Stanford – both proportionally and in absolute terms, so a lot more – who are aggressive about seeking public prominence. Like, say, Barrack Obama, a former President both of the United States and the Harvard Law Review.

While it’s not odd that Yale has a number of alumni on the Supreme Court, who they are is very random: the two most conservative Justices on the Court (maybe now two of the three most conservative), and the most liberal Justice, all of them Catholic and none of them really the sort of high-level scholar that represents the Yale Law School stereotype. One of them, Clarence Thomas, rarely has anything good to say about Yale. You wouldn’t find a lot of people like any of them at Yale Law.

There are only nine Justices on the Supreme Court at any time, and all sorts of luck is involved in getting nominated and getting confirmed. Having alumni on the Court is more like a happy accident than a real measure of law school strength. The last non-Harvard/Yale Justice was Justice John Paul Stevens, who went to Northwestern Law School. Stevens was a brilliant jurist, but while he was on the Court no one said, “Oh, Northwestern has a Justice on the Supreme Court; that must mean it’s a top 3 or 4 or 5 law school.” And Chief Justice Warren Burger had gotten his law degree at night from the predecessor of William Mitchell College of Law in St. Paul MN. For sure no one thought that made William Mitchell a top law school. (What it did mean is that the person is a lot more important than the law school.)

If you want a sense of a law school’s current prestige (or, put another way, its ability to attract the most impressive students), you can look at where Supreme Court clerks come from. At this point, most of the recent Justices were clerks themselves when they came out of law school. In this decade, the top six are Yale 91, Harvard 90, Stanford 29, Virginia 21, and Chicago and Columbia tied at 17 apiece. Stanford and Yale are the smallest of that group by far (which really underlines how strong Yale Law School is). The ratio between Stanford’s clerks and Harvard’s is close to the ratio between their overall student bodies, and the other three schools are about twice the size of Stanford or Yale. If you go back to 1990 – which would catch most of the people who might be considered for high-level judicial appointments in the future – the top 6 schools are all the same, and the order is Harvard 281, Yale 240, Chicago 100, Stanford 86, Columbia 66, Virginia 57.

Correction on size of law schools: Chicago is smaller than I thought it was. The average class sizes of the various law schools are Harvard 600, Columbia 400, Virginia 300, Yale and Chicago 200, Stanford 170. If you divide the number of Supreme Court clerks by average class size, you get Yale 1.2, Chicago and Stanford 0.5, Harvard 0.47, Virginia 0.19, Columbia 0.17. Anyway, that’s far from a perfect measure, and I wouldn’t overinterpret small differences, but I think that gives a good general sense of how elites view the elite law schools.

“Pre-law” isn’t necessary. Pre-law programs are mere sources of information and are not relevant to law school admissions.

Obviously Stanford undergrad, with any major, would be more than adequate for T14 law school apps, as would most schools in the top-50 or -100. Don’t get hung up on single-digit numbers of grads attending various law schools - that would be silly considering that T14 students come from so many different undergrad institutions.

It occurs to me to point out, re Supreme Court Justices, that although none went to Stanford Law School, two got their undergraduate degrees at Stanford (Kennedy and Breyer). That puts Stanford in second place for undergraduate origins of Supreme Court Justices. Three went to Princeton (Alito, Sotomayor, and Kagan), and there are singletons from Harvard (Roberts), Holy Cross (Thomas), Cornell (Ginsburg), and Columbia (Gorsuch).

@JHS Thanks for the great post. Can you post a link to the website with the law clerk data? I’m intrigued.

https://www.bcgsearch.com/article/900047770/Law-Schools-That-Send-the-Most-Attorneys-to-United-States-Supreme-Court-Clerkships/

Law School Rankyng by Law School attended by Supreme Court Justice

  1. Harvard Law School – 20 alumni;

Harry Blackmun Louis Brandeis William J. Brennan, Jr. Stephen Breyer Henry Billings Brown – Harold Hitz Burton Benjamin Robbins Curtis Felix Frankfurter Melville Fuller – Ruth Bader Ginsburg – graduated from Columbia Law School Neil Gorsuch Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. Elena Kagan Anthony Kennedy William Henry Moody – Lewis Franklin Powell, Jr. John Roberts – Chief Justice Edward Terry Sanford Antonin Scalia David Hackett Souter

  1. Yale Law School – 10 alumni,

Samuel Alito Henry Billings Brown David DavisAbe Fortas Sherman Minton George Shiras, Jr. Sonia Sotomayor Potter Stewart Clarence Thomas Byron White

  1. Columbia Law School – 7 alumni,
    Benjamin N. Cardozo William O. Douglas Ruth Bader Ginsburg Charles Evans Hughes Joseph McKenna Stanley Forman Reed Harlan Fiske Stone – Chief Justice

  2. University of Michigan Law School
    George Sutherland
    Frank Murphy
    William Rufus Day

Litchfield Law School (defunct)
Henry Baldwin
Ward Hunt
Levi Woodbury

Albany Law School
David Josiah Brewer
Robert H. Jackson – completed one-year program, awarded “diploma of graduation”[3]

Cincinnati Law School (University of Cincinnati College of Law)
Willis Van Devanter
William Howard Taft – Chief Justice (and former President)

Cumberland School of Law
Howell Edmunds Jackson
Horace Harmon Lurton

Indiana University Maurer School of Law
Sherman Minton
Wiley Blount Rutledge

Northwestern University School of Law
Arthur Goldberg
John Paul Stevens
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Stanford is an excellent school – and I say that as someone who chose Boalt instead.

Ranking of Law Schools by Law School attended by Supreme Court Justices

Four or more Justices[edit]

  1. Harvard Law School – 20 alumni;

Louis Brandeis
William J. Brennan, Jr.
Stephen Breyer
Henry Billings Brown –
Harold Hitz Burton
Benjamin Robbins Curtis
Felix Frankfurter
Melville Fuller – ; Chief Justice
Ruth Bader Ginsburg –
Neil Gorsuch
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
Elena Kagan
Anthony Kennedy
William Henry Moody –
Lewis Franklin Powell, Jr. –
John Roberts – Chief Justice
Edward Terry Sanford
Antonin Scalia
David Hackett Souter

  1. Yale Law School – 10 alumni,

Samuel Alito
Henry Billings Brown –
David Davis
Abe Fortas
Sherman Minton – y
George Shiras, Jr. –
Sonia Sotomayor
Potter Stewart
Clarence Thomas
Byron White

  1. Columbia Law School – 7 alumni,

Benjamin N. Cardozo –
William O. Douglas
Ruth Bader Ginsburg – l
Charles Evans Hughes – Chief Justice
Joseph McKenna –
Stanley Forman Reed –
Harlan Fiske Stone – Chief Justice

Three Justices[edit]
4) University of Michigan Law School
George Sutherland
Frank Murphy
William Rufus Day

  1. Litchfield Law School (defunct)
    Henry Baldwin
    Ward Hunt
    Levi Woodbury –

Two Justices[edit]
6) Albany Law School
David Josiah Brewer
Robert H. Jackson – completed one-year program, awarded “diploma of graduation”[3]

Cincinnati Law School (University of Cincinnati College of Law)
Willis Van Devanter
William Howard Taft – Chief Justice (and former President)

Cumberland School of Law
Howell Edmunds Jackson
Horace Harmon Lurton

Indiana University Maurer School of Law
Sherman Minton
Wiley Blount Rutledge – studied part-time before leaving and completing degree at University of Colorado School of Law[4][5]

Northwestern University School of Law
Arthur Goldberg
John Paul Stevens

So why isn’t Stanford on that list? It has two Justices – Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justice Sandra Day O’Connor. They both graduated, too; no “one-year program” or “part-time” studies.

Justice Ginsburg is on the list twice. She spent two years at Harvard, but moved to Columbia for her third year because her husband Marty, who was a year ahead of her, had taken a job in New York. Under modern practices, she would have graduated from Harvard anyway, but back then she formally transferred and got a Columbia degree. She’s still the only person anyone knows about to have a position on two major law reviews.

Anyway, it would be more relevant to this thread – “Stanford Pre-Law” – to look at the undergraduate institutions of Supreme Court Justices, not their law schools.

The followings are the US Attorney Generals
Most of them graduated from Harvard Law School
Some are from Yale Law, Columbia Law, Chicago Law…

Loretta Lynch ( Harvard Law School )

Eric Holder ( Columbia Law School )

Michael Mukasey (Yale Law School )

Alberto Gonzales (Harvard Law School )

John Ashcroft (University of Chicago School of Law )

Janet Reno (Harvard Law School,)

William French Smith ( Harvard Law School )

The reincarnation of @JamesVanc ??

http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/stanford-university/1980558-how-good-is-stanford-pre-law.html
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/stanford-university/1986264-stanford-undergrad-not-that-successful-in-high-tech-start-up-industry.html
http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/stanford-university/2034446-is-stanford-undergrad-good.html

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