<p>D is a sophomore at Stanford. She chose between Cal and Stanford. Her friends have been doing research since freshman year. If you want it, you can find it. </p>
<p>She never has a problem getting classes. Dorms are doubles- not triples or quads. She LOVES Stanford. Good luck with your decision.</p>
<p>@freazingbeast
Off the top of my head, going to a private school(maybe it was just the one I attended):
-New Computers/Resources every year, if not every other year, including software updates. This kind of seems rediculous(but it is nice to have brand new Mac computers every year or every other year, knowing that you’re using the latest technology. In addition to this they including free printing benefits-which some schools make you pay for on top of tuition/fees).
-Library, buildings, computer labs, stay open really late if not 24 hours.
-Classes with no TAs and no discussions, Classes taught by professors that are capped at 20(strictly enforced).
-Academic Counseling every semester(it’s forced, because your counselors keep you on track every semester, and he or she picks your required major courses, and offers you the options of electives that can fit your schedule).
-No waiting in lines to see or speak to anyone.
-Staff knows you by name. Your academic counselor knows you by name.
-Teachers will know if you missed class, and often times will contact you to check up on you. This gives more motivation to participate and know your stuff before going to class.
-Personal counseling every semester, even if it’s nothing serious, they want to know what’s going on in your life, and how you are doing in school.
-Yearly/Semester department presentations on careers/internships/resources/state of the department/intro to staff/etc, where everyone in your department attends(including all students from all the levels-soph, seniors, etc.
-You’re very nurtured(which can be a plus but also a negative. the plus with the public schools is that because you are a “number” it makes you more of an individual in learning how to seek resources by yourself)</p>
<p>The main difference between public and private in my opinion, is that in public, you kind of are on your own, no one keeps track of you, maybe except a computer system that lets counselors know to send you an email to come meet with a stranger you’ve probably had no contact with before. In public, you also end up multi tasking or keeping track of your own self, which at sometimes feels like you have to tackle on more responsibility, where as at a private school, the academic staff kind of because your personal assistant in regards to school matters.</p>
<p>liek0806: you are describing an LAC, not a private National research university like Stanford. Stanford is not small… over 6,000 undergrads and even MORE graduate students. I suppose Stanford would be at the midpoint between Berkeley, and say, Williams, in terms of faculty interaction and staff support.</p>
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Check your facts please.</p>
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What do you mean? Everything is public infomation. Google it.</p>
<p>I mean where did you get your 13?</p>
<p>Last year, Stanford admitted 2340 students with yield of 71.6%. That means 2340<em>(1-71.6%)=664 students did not enroll at Stanford. Less than 2% of those students enrolled at UCB, or 664</em>2% =13 students, while there were 27% Stanford admitted students, or about 630 students, cross-admitted with UCB.</p>
<p>I actually thought 13 was still high. It’s hard to find a reason to attend Berkeley when you’re from California, you have acceptance from Stanford and would pay less to go there. But I do think that Berkeley has a better fighting chance vs Yale and Princeton. And maybe much smaller fighting chance vs Harvard, MIT and Caltech.</p>
<p>Berkeley sucks. Literally. I cannot stress this any further. It doesn’t even have a fighting chance against Yale or Princeton. Not even with the top 10 USNWR U + Brown</p>
<p>The fact that CC here is defending it so brutally by old people who still believe it has the same shine as it did in the early 1900s (Manhattan Project?) amuses me but at the same time is VERY disturbing. In the real world, Berkeley undergrad isn’t respected.</p>
<p>Do CC people not understand how EASY it is to get into Berkeley? And Regents? Just get straight As and an SAT above 2200.
Right now it’s a terrible place for undergrads. Regents or not. Prestigious things are exclusive things. I’m sorry to say, Berkeley isn’t exclusive. Achieving prestigious things is a great boost for your confidence. And you can do so much in life with confidence. </p>
<p>Go to Stanford. Don’t look back.</p>
<p>Stanford. No-brainer.</p>
<p>@CatsPaw: sure, a Regents will open some doors, but still just one of 4,000 Frosh. The difference is that Stanford has a LOT more money, so more ‘doors’ are available.</p>
<p>There’s more to life than prestige, MrPrince. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>That said, Stanford is the obvious choice. Unless you’re absolutely head over heels in love with Berkeley, Stanford is the smart choice.</p>
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Wait, I thought you said Berkeley engineering was prestigious…now I’m confused.</p>
<p>Manhattan project was a half century later than you think…and Berkeley has done many great things since.</p>
<p>The Berkeley bashing on this board is incredible.</p>
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<p>This is pretty straight forward…</p>
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<p>Not questioning your sources, but if you have (a) link(s)… would appreciate this: 1) < 2% enroll at Cal… 2) 27% cross admits (630) of Stanford’s accepted class. </p>
<p>Agree, generally, Cal seems to yield worst from its cross admits with Stanford of all others.</p>
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It’s more difficult to get Regents at Berkeley than that. The university rejects plenty of people with straight As and a 2200 SAT. </p>
<p>I would have to jump in the bandwagon and argue the Regents isn’t worth much of consideration other than for the scholarship money, however. I would honestly rather have $1000 than priority enrollment. -.-</p>
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<p>Not really. I was checking the UC stat finder website (I don’t recall the name…). About 27% of those with 4.0 and 2200+ SAT are rejected. This is NOT AT ALL close to the high percentage of 4.0 and 2200+ Stanford or any Top 10 USNWR+Brown rejects.</p>
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<p>The source of the numbers used/quoted by Ewho have been provided several times, including in threads in which both of you and RML participated. Must be a case of short memory! </p>
<p>To keep things simple, here is an easy-to-understand source: </p>
<p>[Stanford</a> hopes to close financial-aid deficit in four to five years, Hennessy tells Stanford faculty | Stanford Daily](<a href=“http://www.stanforddaily.com/2010/10/08/financial-aid-deficit-may-persist-four-to-five-years-hennessy-tells-stanford-faculty/]Stanford”>http://www.stanforddaily.com/2010/10/08/financial-aid-deficit-may-persist-four-to-five-years-hennessy-tells-stanford-faculty/)</p>
<p>The same numbers could be found by googling the Stanford’s Senate minutes. As Ewho said!</p>
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<p>The numbers of students who were accepted at Stanford but selected Cal could be expressed in a rudimentary SAT Problem. </p>
<p>If 28.4 percent of 2,340 students decided to attend another school, and 75% of those students chose H, Y, P, or M, what is the highest percentage that Cal (a school not including in the distribution of the next 16 schools) could represent? </p>
<p>Here is a hint. </p>
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<li>32 %</li>
<li>16 %</li>
<li>14 %</li>
<li>13 %</li>
<li>Minimum 1 %</li>
<li>1
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<li>1</li>
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<h1>20. 1</h1>
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<li>Cal </li>
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<p>If the next 16 schools each got 1 percent, the highest Cal could get is 1 percent. If you like numbers better, start with the 166 students who did NOT go to HYPM, and distribute those from spots 5 to 20. Can you get to 10 students picking Cal? </p>
<p>Hence, the fact that Stanford lost between .05 and 2 percent of its students to Cal.</p>
<p>But, I still sense the anger in your posts, the desperate tone… yes, the ad hominems – remember an ad hominem doesn’t have to insult the person you’re verbally sparring with, but can be filled with desperation…looking to the audience, other posters/readers of this board in approval, trying beyond hope to win them over.</p>
<p>With that said, yes, I agree now, the number of students that chose Cal is indeed very small.</p>
<p>My reaction: Meh…so what?</p>
<p>I do find it impressive that Stanford enrolls almost 1/2 of the students which it cross-admits with Harvard. Good job Stanford. Does that make you feel better xiggi?</p>
<p>I did find it curious, though, that The Daily found it important to state this:</p>
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<p>That’s a bit full of itself and totally unnecessary.</p>
<p>Back to you:</p>
<p>I’m glad you’re back to doing the things you love which is patroling this board and making numerous contributions. You are the king of cc… obeisance. </p>
<p>But remember, we don’t all have the time to read every post, every link, even ‘ones where you * were involved yourself.’ </p>
<p>If this is what defines you, living here, posting here, contributing here, then don’t let me disturb your bliss.</p>
<p>Haha, I am just happy you understood the basic math. Let’s hope you won’t have to ask someone to explain it to you again.</p>
<p>I asked ewho what his sources were, plain and simple. As for asking you, why would I do that? So you can promote the schools in which you are enamored? You obviously do that pretty well on your own, with your hypersensitive, over-bearing reactions and your stand-without-prompt initial posts. And it doesn’t help to be a school on your bad list. Imagine having to come to the board and read 1/2 of your bizillion posts denigrating another. Wow…</p>
<p>LOL @ the Manhattan Project being in the “early 1900s.” Credibility –> shot.</p>