<p>I hear lots of talk about rivalry is it true cause i’m from not from califas.</p>
<p>Kratos is right. There's no way that Berkeley would lower itself to a rivalry with a Junior University like Stanford.</p>
<p>Proximity and similar academic caliber are the two cuprits for the Stanford-Berkeley rivalry. It's all in fun.</p>
<p>Although, just looking at the school colors, it's obvious to see which is the better school: would you rather have bold and brave blue and vibrant gold, or sickly eyesore cardinal red?</p>
<p>Let's not get too proud of the Cal football team. It wasn't that long ago (in 2001) when Cal football had a 1-10 season. </p>
<p>Look, what I have seen is that the performance of the Cal football team fluctuates. They'll have some good years, followed by a bunch of bad years, then followed by more good years, follows by more bad years. The same thing is true of Stanford football. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're bad. Keep in mind that Stanford actually went to the Rose Bowl in 2000, whereas Cal hasn't been to the Rose Bowl in over 45 years. True, Cal probably should have gone to the Rose Bowl last year, but still, the fact is, we don't know what's going to happen to Cal and Stanford football in the upcoming seasons. It may turn out that Cal will continue to beat the holy heck out of Stanford as they have been doing for the last few years. On the other hand, it may turn out that Cal football will go through another one of its troughs. Who knows?</p>
<p>I agree that there is no rivalry between Stanford and Berkeley. If anything, the rivalry is extremely one-sided. We have jealous, foamy-mouthed Stanford-rejects on one side of the Bay who delude themselves into thinking that they are good enough to be a rival. On the other side of the Bay, nobody even gives a crap about Berkeley students. There's no competition going on at all. If anything, Stanford students probably view Berkeley as an incredible place to tap the labor market. Ironically, in spite of all the "hatred" Berkeley students feel towards Stanford students, they eventually have to kiss the @ss of their employers later on. Maybe college is the only time they can release all the pent-up rage that just comes along with being a wage-slave.</p>
<p>Note that ubermensch himself is a Stanford reject.</p>
<p>Probably a Berkeley reject too, cause I can't imagine why else anyone would spend so many hours of his life obsessed with schools he never went to.</p>
<p>Note that BigBrother himself is a wage-slave.</p>
<p>No, actually I'm a student. Good guess though!</p>
<p>Quite frankly, Stanford is in a league apart from Berkeley. This rivalry is just as ludicrous as MIT having a rivalry with RPI or Harvard having a rivalry with Boston College. It just doesn't make sense, and I feel sorry for the Berkeleyans who feel that there is an actual academic rivalry going on rather than just a silly footballl one. Yes, many people get rejected by Stanford. Even I got rejected from Stanford despite my likely letter to Yale. But there's no reason to take that bitterness and misconstrue those feelings of jealously as feelings of academic rivalry. </p>
<p>Contrary to what you may think, Berkeley is Berkeley. It's a public school. It accepts people who score below 1000 on the SATs and even takes in hoards of mediocre community college transfers. It isn't some undergraduate academic powerhouse that can compete with the likes of Stanford.</p>
<p>Berkeley has more 1500+ SAT scorers than Stanfurd or Harvard, which is important for investment banking and management consulting recruiters. </p>
<p>For Asian Americans, they have had much more success coming out of Berkeley than Stanfurd. </p>
<p>Case in point:</p>
<p>Mayasoshi Son (once the 2nd richest man in the world at $76 Billion), Norman Mineta, Robert Matsui, John Cho, Will Yun Lee, Gene Kahn, etc..etc... They are all Berkeley undergraduates that benefitted greatly in being visible leaders in America as Asian Americans. </p>
<p>Stanfurd's ONLY VISIBLE ASIAN, and greatest success story is Jerry Yang, founder of Yahoo. However, he used to kiss Mayasoshi Son's ass for ownership of Yahoo (Mayasoshi Son owned Yahoo initially through his venture capital conglomerate Softbank) like an obedient little concubine, so all you Stanfurd jokesters should know your place. </p>
<p>Berkeley's faculty is also more renowned, its department rankings higher than Stanfurd. Also in investment banking in San Francisco, Berkeley undergrads are preferred over Stanfurd grads, because Berkeley grads have a reputation for handling tougher work loads, unlike lazier Stanfurd grads. </p>
<p>Get over it, we have a higher ceiling potential than you. Mayasoshi Son does not look favorably on disobedient Stanfurd concubines.</p>
<p>Anyone else notice how West Side's posts never show up in any topic? Check who's posted in this thread, and then look for his post, and you won't find it. Now do the same for other threads. Nothing.</p>
<p>Gutrade, do you seriously just think of Berkeley as just a regular public school? I would think before you speak, if I were you. That's just an idiotic thing to say about a school that people in Indonesia praise as Ivy-caliber.</p>
<p>Getrade please refrain from touting your elitist BS about how Stanford is "a league apart from Berkeley" when you clearly have only a limited perspective. I guess it depends on what rankings you look at but some rankings put Berkeley at #2 behind Harvard, not bad for a bitter jealous school like Cal. And no matter where you look, Cal is the best public school in the world. When you begin to compare schools at the caliber of Cal or Stanford its impossible to speak in leagues. Unless of course youd call the difference between a score of 4.8 at Stanford and 4.7 at Cal "leagues" (btw MIT is 4.9 not much higher) Check out USNews if you wanna check my numbers. Sure, maybe #3 in the country still isnt good enough cause its still behind stanford, cause a 96% is "leagues" better than a 94%... Now true were talking about peer assesment numbers and only one source, and if you want you can go read up on a whole other thread about the difference between Cal and MIT. But don't think for a second that there is no academic rivalry, go ahead and say Stanford is better, but dont minimize such a great school simply because it isnt an Ivy or grossly expensive.</p>
<p>The very fact that you guys believe the difference in caliber between Stanford and Berkeley is so minute speaks volumes of the hyperinflated sense of self that plagues the Berkeley student body. Quite frankly, I am astounded that you guys think Berkeley is up to par with the likes of Stanford, Yale, and MIT. Didn't that Berkeley admissions offer to the doofus 900 SAT scoring student in the back of your class open your eyes to the HUGE divide between the mediocrity of Berkeley and the excellence of Stanford? To those of you who already go to Cal, didn't your run-ins with those dumb, lazy, incompetents who never lift a finger make you wonder if Berkeley is actually a university and not some glorified night school? Whether or not you choose you answer those questions, I think it is positively undeniable that there are countless aspects of Berkleley that make you think twice about calling it a first-class school. Aside from the large lecture halls, unremarkable student body, poor resources, and the lack of undergraduate focus, there is also the problem of a rabid jealously/inferiority complex that is poisoning the student body. To constantly hate on Stanford and make-believe that there is an academic rivalry between Berkeley and the school across the Bay is not only laugh out loud funny, but is also harmful to the school in general. Berkeley students are deluding themselves about the quality of education they are recieving and are hence preventing any significant improvements in the undergrad system from ever occuring. After all, one can think that "If my school competing with the likes of Stanford, then things here are doing pretty good." In reality, however, I feel like the situation is not unlike the rivalry between the United States and the old Soviet Union. Sure on the surface it may seem like the Soviet Union is somewhat decent, but lo and behold their entire infrastructure was crumbling apart before their very eyes, and their "rivalry" with the United States only served to bankrupt their already wheezing economy. In the end, the Soviet Union fell...and fell HARD. If only they paid more attention to domestic issues rather than trying to mask all their troubles behind the facade of a "rivalry" did they have a chance to survive. The only difference here is that Berkeley does not even have the prestige of the former Soviet Union. At least the Soviet Union had the APPEARANCE of a real head-to-head rivalry, but Berkeley doesn't even have THAT. </p>
<p>Anyway, in the end I would encourage all you Berkeleyans to lay off the rivalry, stick that Stanford rejection letter in the back drawer, and get on with your lives. There's no need to over-compensate by pretending that your backup school is up to par with your dream school. Who cares if you didn't get in? There's always graduate school.</p>
<p>I agree that there is no rivalry between Stanford and Berkeley. If anything, the rivalry is extremely one-sided. We have jealous, foamy-mouthed Stanford-rejects on one side of the Bay who delude themselves into thinking that they are good enough to be a rival. On the other side of the Bay, nobody even gives a crap about Berkeley students. There's no competition going on at all. If anything, Stanford students probably view Berkeley as an incredible place to tap the labor market. Ironically, in spite of all the "hatred" Berkeley students feel towards Stanford students, they eventually have to kiss the @ss of their employers later on. Maybe college is the only time they can release all the pent-up rage that just comes along with being a wage-slave.</p>
<p>Jealous, foamy-mouthed Stanford rejects on one side? Nobody even gives a crap about Berkeley, eh?</p>
<p>If you don't give a crap about Berkeley, then WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO COME TO UC BERKELEY FORUMS?</p>
<p>Yes, Gutrade, everyone in the world is deluding themselves about Berkeley being so good. Except for you. You're the only one who sees the truth, that a public school that admits a tiny percentage of low scorers is inferior. </p>
<p>Even Stanford students can admit that they respect Berkeley academics. If a dumbass is somehow admitted, chances are he'll either get spit out the bottom, or Berkeley will help him shape up and succeed. Whereas at Stanford, the same dumbass might be able to scrape through, and still have time to throw a frisbee for a few hours a day. Nah, I actually like Stanford a lot.</p>
<p>Stanford admits celebrities/legacies and athletes with low SAT scores, and Berkeley admits under-privileged-kids and athletes with low SAT scores. Enough said. I'm gonna have to dig up that nasty thread I wrote a while back to put these Stanford weenies back in their place....</p>
<p>Stanford and Cal have always been considered rivals like UNC and Duke</p>
<p>Overall, Stanford ranks consistently in top 5 for all programs (i.e. engineering, med, business, e.t.c.)</p>
<p>And no, I didn't get rejected from Stanford.......I didn't apply, and I've never been to the campus. I saw it once from an airplane (I think). It's a good school, but only a dumbass would pay 40K /year for an undergrad degree.</p>