<p>Is anyone else curious about guttrade's acceptance to Yale? I mean, it came out of nowhere. First, after he was given the old thumbs down and Stanfurd he tried desperatly to get in at Cal, but he couldn't. So after all this, he's all of the sudden a Yale student? I don't know, sounds a little fishy to me.</p>
<p>Who cares if he got into Yale or not?</p>
<p>I do. If you are going to try to use where you "got in" as an authoritative device that lets you judge other schools and other students, then yes, I want to know. Plus, he's a weasel and it sounds like he's lying, so I want to call him out on it.</p>
<p>See that's the problem with Berkeley students. If they are unable to logically respond to an argument, they just label you and resort to ad hominem attacks. That type of immature rhetorical strategy might work if you want to organize a Sproul Plaza protest about unfair labor practices of rare mountain sheepdogs in the Andes mountains, but it doesn't work when you are trying to come up with a coherent rebuttal. All in all, I think it proves that Berkeley students lack a certain maturity when it comes to expressing their points of view. All they are capable of is either holding up a large colored sign, saying a "Your Mama" joke, or perhaps whining that "you didn't get into Yale" <em>sticks out tongue</em> </p>
<p>Anyway, keep it up guys. I love seeing you guys prove my point by posting some of the most mind-bogglingly immature and poorly written posts on collegeconfidential. Perhaps your next move is to try and close this thread? Unable to craft effective arguments? Embarrassed yourselves too much perhaps?</p>
<p>Oh, Guttrade, you're a pillar of maturity, right? You are one of the biggest sheit talkers on these boards. And really you have no reason to be here. You don't go to this school, you don't go to stanfurd, and you come here posting ridiculous stuff. So if we don't meet your lofty standards then go away. Go tell some other board about your "likey letters." Don't worry, buddy, there's always community college.</p>
<p>i agree ... theres always that special place in your heart, gutrade ...</p>
<p>pasadena city college (p.c.c.)</p>
<p>Well gutrade, you troll, I don't hear you whining about private school "superiority" anymore. I guess my post shut you up in a hurry. Go whine at the Yale forum....maybe they can relate to you.</p>
<p>EVERYONE:</p>
<p>This thread is stupid. Berkeley is a good school. Stanford is a good school. I'm a Stanford admit, and despite my "you suck" thread (which was obviously a joke), ultimately the difference between Stanford and Berkeley is negligible.</p>
<p>The only difference between Stanfurd and Cal is......</p>
<p>Stanfurd undergrad education = 40 K
Cal undergrad education = ~ 20 K</p>
<p>Cal places more graduates into grad school than Stanfurd</p>
<p>Cal football team kicked the holy crap out of Stanfurd's football team for 3 years in a row. </p>
<p>Cal has a element named after it while Stanfurd doesn't </p>
<p>Cal has LBNL while Stanfurd has SLAC.....END OF STORY!!!!</p>
<p>IMO, I would choose to go to Cal for an undergrad degree because simply it is cheaper, closer to home, and it's academics are on par with Stanfurd. However, Stanfurd would be a place for grad school.....</p>
<p>Food for thought</p>
<p>From Stanford Daily
This weekend, Cal dominated our football team. No big surprise. Irrelevant. This column is not about football. Spencer Porters got us beat when it comes to sport. He also has us beat when it comes to Friday recess.
Enough ballyhoo. What were here to say is that Stanfords Cal-bashing is a load of nonsense. Rubbish. Malarkey. Its more reflective of a pervasive inferiority complex than of any supposed superiority.</p>
<p>continued
<a href="http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=15400&repository=0001_article%5B/url%5D">http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?page=content&id=15400&repository=0001_article</a></p>
<p>Stanford really isn't 45k a year. I thought Stanford would be prohibitively expensive, but I get 21k a year in grants from them and my family makes about 100k a year. Being a private institution with a huge endowments and a lot of well-off private donors, Stanford has a lot of money to throw around.</p>
<p>it sure does....I was admitted to both Stanford and Berkeley..and even though the sticker price of Stanford is higher....it's gonna be more expensive for me to attend Berkeley than Stanford. </p>
<p>Stanford is paying 75% of what it costs me to attend the school...</p>
<p>Is Berkeley?...NO</p>
<p>Plus, also realize that students are Stanford more happier with the financial aid they receive. And Stanford offers only need-based money (excluding athletic scholarships) and though Berkeley offers need-based..it also offers merit-based. And I have something against merit-based money simply because it creates a slight hierarchy among the admitted students rather than putting them on the same level playing field.</p>
<p>I don't know why you guys are letting this clueless dude from New Jersey... (the state known as armpit of the nation) get you riled up. Maybe hes jealous that students in his state dont have any better public universities than Rutgers? Maybe hes too busy calculating his financial aid for schools he didnt yet get accepted to, and doesnt have the time to think straight?</p>
<p>It is very strange that the biggest Berkeley bashers here (ubermensch, Gutrade) are Stanford rejects themselves. The actual Stanford students on this site all bash Berkeley, but at the end of the day theyll almost always admit that its still a good school. I can only conclude that Gutrade and ubermensch are hoping that a Stanford adcom reads these threads, and if they post enough anti-Cal drivel, they might get an very late acceptance letter. </p>
<p>Or no wait! Ive got it </p>
<p>These guys are psychopaths who wish they went to Stanford <em>so much</em> that they still spend their free time trying to emulate the Stanford experience. If they wear red sweatshirts, close their eyes real tight, and scream CAL SUCKS! maybe, just maybe theyll be able to know what its like to be a Stanford student. </p>
<p>You don't see me on Duke/UNC rivalry threads, or UCLA/USC rivalry threads. You know why? Cause I don't go to those schools. You guys are losers who spend hours of your free time participating in rivalries of schools that you dont even go to. Get a life.</p>
<p>I'm a freshman at Stanford and having been here almost a year now, it's clear that students here (or at least everyone I know) have a lot of respect for Berkeley's academics. When Stanford students bash Cal, it's more of an obligation in maintaining school spirit. The truth of the matter is that 40% of the students here are from California, and that most of that 40% have good friends who go to Berkeley. My best friend goes to Berkeley and visited me a few weeks ago. He wore his Cal sweatshirt all around campus and not a single person said anything to him or even gave him a glare. Rather, my dormmates were all like, "You go to Cal? That's cool.... I have a lot of friends there." Many people here prefer to town of Berkeley over Palo Alto... anyway my point is that most Stanford students do not bash Cal seriously (outside of big game week), and that any superiority that people think STanford kids view themselves over Berkeley is being highly exaggerated by people who do not even go to Stanford.</p>
<p>Hm...
Although I personally favor Stanford over Berkeley, I too believe that the academic differences between Stanford and Berkeley are negligible. </p>
<p>I suppose it is true that Berkeley may be a "safety" for Stanford students. I also suppose that a lot of students who are rejected by Stanford go to Berkeley.</p>
<p>However, please keep in mind that practically 85-90% of those who apply to Stanford (and any other high caliber school) are equal in academic excellence to those who are actually accepted. Many people know this. In fact, if you would replace every single 2009 acceptee with someone who got rejected, there would be no noticable difference between the two classes. </p>
<p>I am not really trying to use any logical deduction or anything, but it seems to me that Stanford and Berkeley are therefore pretty close in academic caliber. Also, I haven't noticed any extreme bitterness coming from Stanford-rejects-Berkeley-acceptees at my school, even if there are approximately 50 here. </p>
<p>All in all, be glad where you've ended up. Your schools are awesome.</p>
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You're a tool. I knew Jerry Yang personally because my own dad was his cubicle mate at Stanford Engineering. If you really believe that investors deserve credit for the concept of the search engine, which Jerry invented, then go to Wharton and get your ass out of the public school system.
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<p>Uh... no shiet sherlock. I never said Mayasoshi Son invented or deserves credit for the yahoo search engine. Mayasoshi Son would have still been very very successful even if Jerry Yang wasn't one of his many concubines. Mr. Son also owned the entire NASDAQ Japan stock exchange, and most internet companies in Japan. You don't get to be the richest Asian in the history of the world by just owning one internet company. </p>
<p>I said Jerry Yang was Mayasoshi Son's concubine. A concubine can make an invention, but to their master, they are still a concubine. Don't be offended... I just wanted to show how the structure of success actually works when looking at the most successful and richest Asian ever in the history of the world.</p>
<p>UncleFeezus and jmstnfrd08 made really good points...this whole rivarly thread is really getting out of hand. i am a stanford admit and i also 6 friends who are going to berk. we may joke about "the Big Game" a couple times, but we always remember that these are only universities!! we are not going to war for the next 4 years!! agreeing that the other school is also good will not make you a bad person!!</p>
<p>I was accepted to both Stanford's and Berkeley's engineering schools.
I'm in a strange position in that I am basically choosing what side of the rivalry to take. I like both schools. They're both even academically, and they both have a lot to offer otherwise. I think I'll end up at Cal for financial reasons... It'll be weird, though: while Cal is trouncing the Cardinal at the Big Game and the Stanford sideline starts chanting "Rejected!" at the Cal students, I'm not sure what I'll do.</p>
<p>ABrozan, whatever choice you make, you will end up great. again, both schools are great. i personally chose stanford over berkeley because i didn't really connect with the urban vibe at berk, but everyone has his/her own preference. i just wish people wouldn't get caught up into this rivalry :</p>
<p>Abronzan, remember, Cal engineers are more sought after in Silicon Valley over stanfurd engineers because of the emphasis on application that Berkeley teaches. Also, there are more girls at Cal in the engineering department, and some of them are pretty cute. I dated one bio-engineering blond girl, OMG, she was one of the hottest girls I have ever seen in my life. </p>
<p>Also, remember that Cal engineering is ranked #1 in the entire world. Go Bears!</p>