Stanford vs. Harvard

<p>ROC, regarding the original topic: I studied at H & S recently, and think both are great institutions. FWIW, my opinion was that there were many more annoying and self-aggrandizinig personalities at Harvard. I'd argue that the posts on these "H vs. S" threads are consistent with that. Yet ironically, the people who were most arrogant often weren't particularly capable (seroiusly).</p>

<p>I personally liked S more (and feel the institution is far more "in line" with the 21st century). But I loved H too, and you can certainly find tremendously nice people there too.</p>

<p>Thanks, snack, I appreciate your comments very much! ...I was just a little worried that ske and hrteexz are taking the arguement a little too seriously and becoming offensive to one another...</p>

<p>But thanks, you all have offered helpful information! :) :)</p>

<p>Right now I am deciding between Harvard and Stanford.</p>

<p>The more I research and ask around, the more difficult the decision gets. Two great schools, probably the two best, impossible to decide.</p>

<p>I visited harvard and stanford, although i never had any intention of even applying to harvard, but i sat in on classes at both and am pretty fmailiar with both of their respective environments as per their regions. </p>

<p>IMO, unless you want to study engineering, in which stanford is superior by most accounts, the academics aren't significantly different, nor are reputation. they're both big names as well, if that matters to you. hell, i even got a job at nordstrom of all places for the summer just by dropping stanford's name even though i was probably the worst possible candidate in terms of expertise and time availability. </p>

<p>thus, i would do some soul-searching as to which environment you like better. Stanford has a fairly slow-paced lifestyle outside of academics since it is fairly isolated. palo alto is a small, chic town which is nice but not terribly exciting, like a resort town. san francisco has all the busybody urban excitements but in all reality is a little bit of a hassle to get to and far away enough that you dont get the feeling of the hustle-bustle urban lifestyle with lots of events going on all of the time...which is exactly what you get in Cambridge, which is a ten minute ride from downtown boston anyway.</p>

<p>for what its worth, weather does have an effect. i'm a coloradon, so i do like snow and cold sometimes, but some peoples' psyches are drastically affected by weather, which in stanford, rotates between a kind of mild, clear-skied summer, late spring, and early fall, with almost daily rain the rest of the year, vs. boston's hot/humid and snowy/frigid, but for the most part traditionally 4-seasonal alternation.</p>

<p>campus culture is harder to pin down, although at harvard the kids i talked to tended to seem too busy to give me their attention,and the overall environment in dining halls and such seemed very intellectual, but i wouldnt consider that conclusive, im sure plenty of people are nice. ive spent extensive time at stanford though and people almost universally, while having extremely heavy courseloads and interesting thoughts, seem to go about life a little more slowly, annd the social environment is almost anti-intellectual, with most conversations being well, not as rigorous as at harvard as i remember, although when pressed, people always have something interesting to say.</p>

<p>ultimately, you ought to spend some time at both schools WHEN THEY ARE IN SESSION</p>

<p>I think it depends on who you survey. Harvard is clearly a great school, but it is a very different physical, social, and educational environment than Stanford. I echo the posts about geographic diversity. Since CA would be among the top economies in the world if it were a standalone country, it is not odd at all that it takes 41% of its own as students. Would you fault Oxford for taking 41% Brits over continental Europeans? </p>

<p>As to your assumptive close on the issue of what top students think...my S is in the top .2% of all "academically gifted" students in the US and his vote is going to Stanford over Harvard. So there is one more for Stanford.</p>

<p>Provincial? No editorialization there...I hope with that elitist viewpoint you chose Harvard:</p>

<p>"In any case, my point that Stanford is more provincial than Harvard remains valid regardless of how many people are squeezed into a single state. Outside that state, Stanford just does not command the same level of respect."</p>

<p>Perhaps those statistics are testament that Harvard isn't drawing very strongly from its own back yard. Every statistic can be spun in at least two directions.</p>

<p>there are lies, damn lies and then statistics....</p>

<p>...ske (et al.) seems to be a bit of a spin master on that last variety.</p>

<p>Some very nice responses here however - but will have been lost in the concurrent bickering over unimportant issues over recruitment geography.</p>

<p>A simple rule for me is if you need the prestige on your CV or for your self-esteem - take harvard - its not just the name that will do it for you, but the education will be geared to developing the tools to be a commanding and effective person. </p>

<p>If your a liberal hippy who wants to create a revolutionary kind of shoe or something like that - go to stanford. You'll probably meet someone who's already invented it and needs someone to help them with the slides in their pitch to VC firms.</p>

<p>Stanfords my personal favorite, but i do agree that Harvard commands a significantly larger amount of prestige. So if you're looking for the best education, I'd say go Harvard. But if you're looking for the best overall college experience, Stanford!!!</p>

<p>ACK. I do not think that Stanford is for "liberal hippies"; my interpretation of that is a campus full of liberal protesters who don't care very much about showering or going to class. This is untrue.</p>

<p>I also take some issue with the following claim:

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So if you're looking for the best education, I'd say go Harvard. But if you're looking for the best overall college experience, Stanford!!!

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Stanford and its internationally-renowned professors provide a wonderful education. Never having taken classes at Harvard, I realize I cannot make a fair comparison, but I recognize that I am learning from the best (who have, in many cases, made some of the discoveries that we are taught about) and that we students are continually being pushed to have a deep understanding of the material and to be ready to learn more. I can't say that Stanford's education is better or worse than Harvard's, but my inclination would be that the difference is minimal and probably varies from department to department, if it exists at all.</p>

<p>I do think that Stanford provides a wonderful college experience overall, though I won't be naive and claim that everyone would love it here. It has already been said before: find out as much as you can about both places and do what you feel is right for you. If you have any more specific questions, I'd love to answer them, but our ability to help you make this decision is really limited.</p>