Stanford vs Yale

Hey guys,

(originally posted in Yale’s page - I want different opinions haha!!!)

I got into Stanford and Yale. I’m having a really really really hard time decided between both of them. I’m a native Bostonian used to frigid weathers… so Yale wouldn’t be too much of a difference. However, I also want to study science (biology) and I’m not sure if Yale is the place for that. I never visited Stanford before, but I found Yale’s campus to be GORGEOUS.

STANFORD (analogy - Gatsby, new money)
Pros

  • Strong science, computer science, biomedical computation major
  • Most selective, gonna outpace the ivies soon enough
  • Probably gonna have the best financial aid - I got a full ride
  • Chill atmosphere
  • Cool, quirky people
  • I like their entrepreneural spirit
    Cons
  • So far away
  • NOT SURE IF I LIKE SUNNY 24/7
  • Removed from my friends and family back at home
  • Can’t experience the New England traditions I grew up with

YALE (Tom Buchanan, Old money)
Pros

  • My prototypical view of college
  • Love the intellectual vitality
  • Get to go to the Harvard-Yale game
  • Strong residential college system
  • Ivy network
  • Friendly people
  • Close to Boston
    Cons
  • Worse science programs
  • Financial Aid?
  • Kind of lagging in science…

I also want to know how both fare in med school admissions, and which is considered more prestigious.

Congratulations! These are two fantastic schools, and you really can’t lose at either one of them. My prospective CS-major son faced the same decision last year, and it was incredibly hard (on us too, since we’d all fallen in love with Yale). He finally chose Stanford, primarily because of its reputation in that field, and though he’s not planning to major in CS anymore, he doesn’t regret his choice.

I’m assuming you’ll attend Admit Weekend and Bulldog Days. You especially should visit Stanford to get more of a feel for how you’d like living in California. It’s not sunny 24/7, but it’s definitely sunnier than New England.

In addition to visiting, though, I’d encourage you not to focus too much on particular departments’ reputations—unless there’s a problem with the one you’re interested in. That’s definitely something you should consider then, and if you feel Yale isn’t particularly strong in biology and Stanford is, that’s an important factor.

On the other hand, keep in mind that 50% (or more—I just saw an even higher figure recently) of entering freshmen ultimately change their minds about their major. We didn’t expect our son to be part of that 50%, but he turned out to be. So it might help to think about several possible majors you could end up choosing and see how Yale’s and Stanford’s programs in them compare. Maybe they’ll be comparable, or maybe one school will be better in one field but worse in another. What’s important is that you have good options in anything you might be likely to choose. (Luckily for us, my son’s two other most likely majors now are top-notch at Stanford; one of them would have been quite a bit less strong at Yale.)

Beyond that, though, think about what you want the totality of your college experience to be like. It sounds like you’ve already given that some thought, which is good. Some people feel that college is a time to experience as many new things as possible; if that’s true for you, then choosing Stanford might make more sense. But no matter where you go geographically, you’ll have endless new experiences, so if you love New England, there’s no need to force yourself to live somewhere completely different, especially if you don’t think you’ll like it.

I can’t really speak to the strength of each school’s pre-med programs and placement, though I’m guessing both are great.

Financial aid, though, is usually important for many people, and if you end up getting significantly more aid from Stanford and money is a factor for your family, that’s definitely something to consider. A free ride is a hard thing to turn down, especially if you’re comparing that to having to fork out a lot more money over four years.

Good luck with your decision—Stanford and Yale are both wonderful places, and I’m guessing you’ll have a terrific college experience no matter which you end up choosing!

Both are awesome places. If you’re planning on med school (which is crazy expensive with little-to-no aid compared to undergrad) then go with the cheaper option unless you feel like one school is way better for you than the other. Both have great reputations. Stanford is tied for #1 in bio rankings while Yale is at #7: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/biological-sciences-rankings. There are a ton of lab opportunities here at Stanford as well as clinic opportunities. Google and other big companies in the area do hire bio majors (not just CS majors!).

It’s not sunny 24/7 - we do get rain in the winters and dorms go a few hours off campus for snow trips in winter as well. Some days are overcast and it’s not too hot all the time. For some strange reason in California it’s (I think) the law to have heating in all dorm buildings but not AC. During the year it’s usually pretty pleasant although summers can get a bit hot if you’re used to cold weather.

Personally I think college is a good time to explore new things and that includes new traditions and places. If you also have med school planned for later, you decide that you don’t like the west coast then could return east for med school. It’s a good way to find out if you ever want to live in California.

I think Yale’s STEM is probably stronger than most people think it is, just like Stanford’s Humanities are probably better than some think.

This is HYPSM – a basket weaving course is going to be top-notch.

Whether it’s Eli vs. Leland’s school or State vs. Tech, it’s all about fit: academic, financial, climatic, cultural, environmental, social, athletic, etc. Find out as much as you can so that the alma mater you choose is the one that really suits you best. And do visit both: you can’t smell, taste, or feel a place by reading about it.

@prezbucky I don’t think anyone thinks that Stanford humanities are not top notch since Stanford is tied at the very top or near the very top of the rankings for many disciplines within the humanities. This cannot be said about Yale’s STEM.

Are you referring to the US News grad school rankings?

I was in this dilemma two years ago. It was a pretty tough choice.

Ultimately looking back, I think very few things that people post on college confidential should affect your decision.

Stanford vs Yale are actually quite different. I think though the students who go to both may come out of high school similarly, the environments of both differ drastically.

Stanford offers a very “modern” college experience. Sort of what you imagine when you see those comedy movies of kids who go to college. Large dorms, large campus, bathing in sunlight, kids always outside playing frisbee etc.

Yale offers the traditional, northeast, almost elitist college experience. Residential colleges, prestigious buildings/alumni, political powerhouse etc.

I chose the “modern” experience. There are days that I wish I had that “traditional” northeast experience. But I’ve come to realize if I was at Yale there would be plenty of days I would wish I had the “modern” experience.

In the end I tried to make the best decision for me. Personally that was getting away from home and exploring somewhere new, having more options in exploring academic paths, and playing pickup soccer in the california sun. I think Stanford has challenged me in ways Yale would have never.

If it helps I’m from Suburban New Jersey where 90% of kids aim for HYP. I wanted to escape that and escape that I did. I don’t know if Stanford was the best decision, but maybe it was the right decision. I think wherever you go you’ll find your way. Good luck.

I wouldn’t say Yale is “lagging” in science. It is investing a lot of money into STEM programs and is home to some outstanding professors. Of course, Stanford is arguably the best STEM school in the world so you could argue that it is “lagging” compared to Stanford.

Also, the “Ivy network” is overrated. You will have access to virtually all of those networking events as a Stanford alum. Stanford’s network is already beginning to outpace Yale’s network and I don’t see that changing any time soon.

GO TO YALE

My sister had to make the same decision, she chose Stanford and said it was the biggest mistake of her life (shes trying to transfer to Yale, but it wont work)…

Yale is rooted in the Ivy network and grounded in the social sciences as well as politics and economics.

Stanford is globally renowned for its engineering and its STEM programs.

If you were into STEM, you’d be a fool to not accept a spot at Stanford

Just like if you’re into Social sciences you’d be a fool not to take a spot at Yale

On top of that-- YALE LAW SCHOOL IS THE BEST LAW SCHOOL IN THE WORLD-- AS AN UNDERGRADUATE STUDENT-- YOU CAN TAKE CLASSES THERE

P.S - for the record, Im wait listed at Yale (didn’t apply to Stanford-- want to do econ) and you not going would in essence help me, and Im telling you- GO – its a once in a lifetime opportunity (Im dartmouth bound ).

If you go to Stanford – you will regret it for as long as you live-- just like my sister.

Its in cali and its rising in rank, but trust me, its a school deeply rooted in STEM… Go to Yale

@dunkin2nu lol what you are saying is completely false. People here are seriously looking for guidance and accurate information so it is quite wrong to spit out utter nonsense because you are biased one way or the other. You should read what the OP says before replying : he is interested in STEM. Also fyi Stanford has the edge in economics over Yale and is ranked higher in political science. Stanford is the school of the future while Yale is not. Stanford is strong in all fields whereas Yale is not. Stanford has top notch STEM offerings while Yale does not. Yale is an amazing school but saying it is somehow overall superior to Stanford is laughable when in reality the opposite is probably true.

If there is a FA difference of greater than 10k, choose the school giving more money because both schools are really great schools although I don’t know why they would choose not to match each other if it came down to money.

Having said that - If you enjoy football, Stanford has been in the middle of national title picture most years during the past 6 years. There will be 70,000 fans for home games and these games are cheered in large numbers by S students section where they are supposed to keep standing the entire game.

Y premed advising is considered better. S is better if you are not certain in terms of finding equally good other majors allowing you to find other great careers. This is not say lots of S graduates dont end up studying medicine. My D and many of her friends are going to be starting medicine at schools around the nation but lot of others who started as premeds found other passions.

Can’t go wrong either way. If it were me, I’d make my decision after visiting both campuses and comparing financial aid offers.

Yale and Stanford are - for all intents and purposes - equivalents when it comes to academic prowess and prestige. Anyone arguing otherwise is splitting hairs and likely has some agenda or other.

Visit both schools or read about them - they have very different lifestyles. West Coast vs. East Coast? Four seasons or always sunny? Residential system or moving around? Huge sprawling campus or no? City or self-encapsulated campus? (I’ve heard S students don’t tend to go out to Palo Alto while Y students blend right into New Haven a lot.)

I think most people would be happier at one school over the other. I just chose Yale over Stanford, but it’s very much a decision rooted in personal preference. Good luck!

So what did you choose??

Hey guys,

This is a super last minute change, but Stanford let me change my enrollment from Yale to Stanford but idk if I wanna anymore.

Long story -

I’m from the Northeast, so when I visited Yale it wasn’t much of a culture shock and I felt normal. Also, I had lots of friends at the school and loved the sense of community. It felt comfortable like home. I had a good impression of BDD, eventually committing to the school.

However, I keep thinking about Stanford… it seems like it’s a rising university and really hard to miss. Plus, I’m into biology (not into hardcore STEM like physics/chemistry/engineering), it seems like Stanford is better in this regard when I toured the labs which were really, really amazing. However when I visited Stanford I didn’t feel particularly comfortable in it, it was so big and different from the Northeast. Also, I didn’t have many friends at Stanford before I visited so I was mostly alone, so maybe Yale biased? I found the Stanford community to be super friendly, chill, and humble, but the ProFros were sometimes really obnoxious (e.g. bragging about their achievements) which I didn’t see at Yale. Stanford was too different for me, and I’m not sure if I’m mature to leave so far from home yet (but living in Cali seems cool). Also, it seemed that Stanford kids were more into STEM discussions, and Yale was into politics…

Furthermore, people tell me that at Stanford I’ll have a better bio education, but Yale I will have a more intimate connection. I don’t like the research happening at Yale as much as Stanford (I wanna do CS + Bio), but it seems like Yale science is less competitive (Yale iGEM Team is walk in, Stanford iGEM is you need to try out). Again, Stanford is a STEM dominated school quickly on the rise… Yet, people tell me that Yale does way better for pre-med stats.

Ergo - Yale or Stanford?

in terms of STEM including bio Stanford cannot be beat. (BioX, Stem Cell Center). Stanford is arguably the best STEM university in the world. In addition to the most nobel prizes this century of any school - for the past 2 years Stanford has accounted for more than 10% of all inductees into the National Academy of Sciences (that’s just from one school - Berkeley was second this year - Beat Cal!)

bottom line though. don’t worry about that. Stanford is better in your field yes, but IMO the number one priority is where you fit in culturally… because if you’re not happy you won’t take advantage of what the school has to offer… and on that basis I would recommend you go to Yale based on what you wrote about fitting in. one thing… don’t look back and say I should have gone to Stanford. pick your school and don’t look back. good luck!

^ I’m confused. Have you committed to Stanford, Yale, or both as of right now?

Several decades ago I was in a similar position. Coming from the Northeast, studying 'cello at Yale with lots of friends there. Yale was familiar, comfortable, and felt like home. But after a summer in Brazil I yearned for adventure and a different kind of experience, and fell in love with Stanford’s balance, vitality and free spirit (even though I’d never been west of Pittsburgh, and there was no internet in those days). I wanted to be challenged by something different, to be out of my comfort szone, and felt I was mature enough to be 3000 miles from home. Stanford worked for me, and I never looked back.

Both are great schools. All that matters is which one is right for you (though you’ll probably do well at either). I think you’ll get a great education, premed preparation, and plenty of research opportunities at both schools. I wouldn’t worry about specific departments or try to over-analyze it. It’s a question of where you think you will be happiest. Stanford and Yale are very different socially, but both very social environments. It sounds like your heart is with Yale, and I’d probably stick with it in your situation; but if you want to challenge yourself and try a different environment, Stanford will be a great experience. It really comes down to what you want in terms of an overall experience.

@grapepocky - If you want to stick to Bio only, either school works for you. If you are serious about CS along with Bio, I would recommend Stanford. It is definitely the best CS school in the world. Sometimes I feel CS at Stanford overshadows everything else and in a lot of cases those departments may be better than CS. Bioengineering department has a major called Bioinformatics which will be the future of medicine.

@renaissancedad - last year a mother was posting and her son kept going back and forth too. :slight_smile: It sounds like he is currently enrolled at S after initially enrolling at Y but he is having doubts again.

^ Bioinformatics and genomic is the future of medicine. Atul Butte, who was at Stanford, left last year to head up UCSF’s program, but Stanford remains strong in this area. Yale has a bioinformatics PhD program, but I don’t think they have an undergrad program - which may either be a bad thing, or a way to get your foot in the door early.

Sorry, the major is under engineering and it is called biomedical computation rather than informatics (bioinformatics is available at masters and phd level at stanford med).

http://web.stanford.edu/group/ughb/cgi-bin/handbook/index.php/Biomedical_Computation_Major_Program

http://web.stanford.edu/group/ughb/2015-16/BMC_PS_1516_Sept15.pdf