<p>What's the difference between Stat 20 and Stat 21? Which one would you recommend to take and which one is easier?</p>
<p>depends, what’s your major?</p>
<p>either way, i (biz major) chose 21 over 20 last semester and don’t regret it. obviously i haven’t taken 20 so i can’t tell you the true differences between them, but supposedly 20 is more rooted in “math” theory stuff (so they claim. i mean, 21 had some math stuff too…?) and 21 is specifically statistics for business (although its hard to see the connection when by second “quarter” all we talk about are box models day in and day out… 
so i guess since box models / polling probability / regular probability was a big part of 21, i can see where it is less “math based” and more … idk whatd they’d sugarcoat it as… “theory” based? eh.</p>
<p>either way, your first question should be which one aligns better with your major. if you need more factors: think about who’s teaching, how well it meshes into your sched next semester, if you know anyone taking either class at the same time.</p>
<p>but idk, i dont think one is “easier” per se. they are just marginally different (others pls correct me if im horribly mistaken) and therefore people stronger in one area would perform better in one of the classes. are you a better formula plug and chugger or are you better at thinking and applying ideas. either way 20 and 21 have a lot of BOTH so you’ll have to deal with it. sorry.</p>
<p>go with 21 imo, i enjoyed ibser a lot</p>
<p>I’m also an intended business major :]
Well, I just checked the schedule of classes and it says that Stat 21 is taught by Murali Stoyanov. Do you know how he/she is like?</p>
<p>There is also another thing. I was planning to take Econ 1 with Stat but it seems that next semester Stat 21 and Econ 1 have a time conflict.
So I’m debating whether or not I should take Stat 20 because it seems like a lot of people finish their pre-reqs before they apply and these are the two classes I need to finish…</p>
<p>over my past two years here i had a lot of contact with haas admission people and rest assured there is nothing wrong with not having all of your prereqs done by the fall i nwhich you apply. you just have to finish all your prereqs by the end of your sophomore spring semester. so in theory you could hold both econ and stats off til spring 2012 (since you’re an intended biz major for entry to haas in fall 2012, applying in fall 2011)</p>
<p>though this is true, your GPA application is very heavily weighted on the prereqs (not the 7 breadth or random coursework, although overall GPA does count [im just saying prereq gap is even MORE important than overall gpa, but you should strive for strong grades either way]).</p>
<p>theyve changed a lot of things for your class’s admissions (i dont think 7 breadths are required before your admission to haas anymore, and maybe perhaps R&C reqs?) so do yourself a favor and talk to haas admissions people. they’re always there to help!</p>
<p>personally, i took 21 and econ together fall 2010 (as 1st semester sophomore) and finished off all my prereqs for haas. you don’t have to do it, but if you can slam back to back A’s that would give you them some faith in your GPA’s value. but if you feel u cant do well in both, maybe split them. </p>
<p>my question still stands as to what your (back-up) major is. when i was in your shoes my back-up major required 21 so i took it. if your back-up major<em>calls</em> for stat 20 (or even stat 25) then you should take <em>that</em> and not 21. but if it 21 is a prereq for your back up then take 21. </p>
<p>i dont think too many people finish all their prereqs before applying, since they told me that many people choose to push stats off to their 4th semester (since theyre scared it will lower their GPA). again, its fine to be one of those people, but again if you can take it and do well just more power to you and your application. </p>
<p>i dont have any info on Stoyanov aside from what is on courserank under Stat 2 (“fair teacher” “possible to get an A” "sometimes boring, but --although everyone who posted these things all got C’s… i guess their 20/20 hindsight reveals all the nights they spent lounging instead of doing the hw properly or studying seriously for midterms and finals, amirite?)</p>
<p>either way, good luck deciding on your schedule and good luck with your goals to get into biz</p>
<p>Take stats n21 over the summer. I think it’s easier than during the school year? Not sure, but at least since its online a lot of people will neglect the course and end up lowering the curve.</p>
<p>I took stats 21, easiest class ever. But then again, I am a bio major taking it with econ 1, chem 1A and physics 7A at that time. So maybe I am biased.</p>
<p>But Stats N21 is prob the easiest option. I would suggest that, esp. considering Haas looks at grades. Oh yeah, differences: Stats 21 covers a little more advance stuff that’s not covered in Stats 20. So it goes faster. But, the class is much smaller (also mean less competition). </p>
<p>Side note, remember to take an easy load when you take UGBA 10. Dumb class, but very competitive and time-consuming.</p>
<p>Well, I’m planning to study abroad during the summer, so I guess Stats N21 is not really an option for me…
My back-up major doesn’t need Stat as a pre-req, so that’s why I was considering taking Stat 20 with Econ 1. But does anyone know how Train is like for Econ 1?</p>
<p>Thanks everyone for all your feedback! They are very helpful! :]</p>
<p>Oh, and crowslayer91, you said that haas admissions weigh pre-reqs grades very heavily, so do you think my chances would be affected a lot if I got a B in UGBA and A- in 16B? 
And does it matter how many units we take per semester? I have only been taking the minimum 13-14 units but it seems like a lot of people I know are taking as much as 16 or 17.</p>
<p>IMO, The B in BA10 will hurt you more than the A- in Math. However, you can make up for it with ECs.</p>
<p>@pink: I took 13-14 units all 3 semester (this semester, I’m taking 15) and I got in. I don;t think they care too much.</p>
<p>ditto, i took 13-15 units of letter grade per sem prior to applying, nothing special. this sem im taking 17. </p>
<p>The A- in math is not bad at all. The B in ugba10 may look unsightly to you on your application, but its not the whole thing. its a part of a part of a part. make sure you keep up the other parts of your application and prereqs and life should be smooth sailing.</p>
<p>@pinklavender: Both Train and Olney are highly rated profs for Econ 1. I heard that Olney is the more interesting lecturer, while Econ 1 with Train is easier.</p>
<p>@pinklavender: Train is definitely easier, but doesn’t teach as well as Olney. Olney’s exams are definitely harder and trickier than Train, but she’s a good lecturer (probably one of the best in the econ dept imo). </p>
<p>I took olney and didn’t regret it a bit…yeah, it’s harder but you learn more and it’s better in the long run I suppose. Plus, it made me like econ.</p>
<p>the only reason i took econ 1 last semester was b/c i thought train would be teaching in the fall. but nope, it was delong. as everyone has pointed out Train is actually an express train to an easier semester, choo choo! idk, my friend had olney for an upper div econ and always complained about the difficulty of the test. it could be that my friend is just stupid but eh.</p>
<p>nah i’m sure your friend’s complaint is legitimate… olney’s a trickster but hey, it makes you think critically. </p>
<p>personally, i always go for the better lecturers even if they are harder… I rather learn versus getting an easier A and not learning as much </p>
<p>idk up to the person I suppose</p>
<p>Ohh I see I see</p>
<p>Thanks everyone!! :D</p>
<p>Oh, I do have one more question…does it matter a lot to haas admission what kind of breadth/filler classes we take? For example, would they look to see if we are just taking some classes to boost our gpa or take harder classes into account? And what would you say is the average number of classes we should take p/np?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance!</p>
<p>Nope, they won’t care. I mean… a “filler course” is really a subjective thing. Maybe someone is REALLY good at chemistry and took Chem 1A as a breadth course and taking something like ESPM would’ve owned him… So, I don’t think they can really judge what is an easy-A course or not anyways.</p>
<p>for the breadth, find a happy center between maxing your GPA and actually taking courses that will expand your horizons/interests or at least be in the right direction of what field you want to explore later on. in fulfilling the breadths don’t forget your degree requirements to take 2 UpperDivs outside your major and the AC req, so try to get some classes that knock down multiple pins at once.</p>
<p>also, for p/np, i’d say 2 is all well and good for breadth. obviously the less you use while still getting an A will help your GPA a lot, sometimes you just either don’t give a ***** or just aren’t good at the class. with respect to haas admins, there’s no official cut off for # of p/np for breadth (aside from the 1/3 of-overall-units-taken limit set by L&S) but i think 2 is about right as a good max point. strive for less if you can manage.</p>