<p>Will state budget cuts affect UC transfer admissions as they will for CSU?</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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<p>Yes because UCs will charge a higher price, therefore demand for applicants is less.</p>
<p>In relation to your question, there was an article in the Daily Cal (student newspaper) yesterday that said a 10% tuition hike will be proposed and most likely passed for next school year because of state budget shortfalls.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, illegal aliens cost California taxpayers over $10.5 billion per year.</p>
<p>WTH is wrong with this picture?</p>
<p>Do they hang you for saying things like that about "undocumented immigrants" at Cal. :)</p>
<p>Seriously, the budget deficit is now $16 billion due to the financial crisis. Before, it was around $10 billion. No illegal immigrants=No budget deficit, crowded or shut down hospitals, crowded jails, depressed wages, child labor violations, etc., etc. Nice to know Obama and McCain did not even discuss the issue, but we all know they are Amnesty advocates anyway.</p>
<p>^ Nothing better to know than that my admissions and tuition will be affected, all for blood sucking leeches within our state.</p>
<p>The statements made in this thread are fair and balanced.</p>
<p>Yeehaw--scapegoats!</p>
<p>The only thing I watch on Fox is that comedy news show "Red Eye." They just talk about strippers, random surveys, etc. Usually nothing serious, but when they do discuss something serious, it is usually not as funny.</p>
<p>MB260E: That is a little harsh don't you think. </p>
<p>They (illegal immigrants) really are just trying to better their lot, but I would think that the millions of ultranationalist Mexican citizens (remember those first couple of rallies when they largely just carried Mexican flags?) could do a little more to try and better their own country. They just let corrupt elites and drug traffickers walk all over them. If that sort of thing happened here, I think there would be a lot of vigilantism, and rightly so. The US should not be treated as a safety valve that Mexico can open whenever it has a problem providing for and controlling its own people.</p>
<p>The problem is largely just a US-Mexico issue, but illegal immigrants from China, various South East Asian countries, Russia, and former Soviet Republics are also significant parts of the problem.</p>
<p>It is also a deadly serious issue, and it is well known the US has the most lax immigration enforcement policies in the world by far. It is a sad reality, but we live in a world of finite resources. There also creations called national boundaries. My state should protect me from the chaos other states create or fail to control.</p>
<p>Where would California's economy be without illegal immigrants? The farming industry? Restaurants ? Service? Construction? Getting rid of them would be the equivalent to raising the minimum wage. You conservatives are against the minimum wage too as I recall..doesn't the same reasoning apply here? Business can't afford raising the minimum wage, small tax increases but somehow they would be able to shoulder the burden of losing cheap labor? And isn't the conservative argument against higher taxes and minimum wage that lower taxes and lower wages somehow relate to higher tax revenues? What I'm asking is this: you seem pretty confident of the cost of illegal immigration, but how much does the economy benefit? You don't even seem to be trying to take a stab at what those figures are.</p>
<p>At least no one here is applying as a freshman. Can you imagine waiting your entire life only for this problem to land squarely on the year you are applying as a freshman?</p>
<p>UC might limit freshman enrollment</p>
<p>System's president cites the state's budget crisis, which could affect education funding. Cal State has already proposed turning away qualified applicants for next fall.</p>
<p>By Larry Gordon
6:26 PM PST, November 19, 2008</p>
<p>Reporting from San Francisco -- UC regents threatened Wednesday to place some unspecified limits on freshman enrollment next fall if the deficit-battered state government does not provide enough funding to the 10-campus university system.</p>
<p>However, the regents stayed away from the definitive steps that the state's other public university system, California State, proposed earlier this week to reduce freshman admission and enforce earlier than usual deadlines for applications.</p>
<p>At the urging of UC system president Mark G. Yudof, the regents' finance committee backed away even from using the word "freeze" in describing the possible enrollment limits. Yudof said he wanted more time to study the issue and more wiggle room with the Legislature and governor. The panel then adopted a vague motion that called on UC to "curtail" the numbers of freshmen if state funding is not adequate.</p>
<p>"No one wants to curtail the opportunity, but how do we keep absorbing 5,000 more possible students a year when no one is giving us the money to pay for them?" Yudof asked rhetorically. About 37,000 freshmen started at UC campuses this fall.</p>
<p>He said the regents might meet next month to discuss details, and he suggested a first step might be to deny more students a spot at their first-choice campuses and offer them instead places at the 3-year-old Merced campus, which has room to expand.</p>
<p>UC now enrolls about 225,000 undergraduate and graduate students but says it receives state funding for only about 215,000. With the international economic crisis and mounting state deficits, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is proposing a midyear $65-million cut from the $3 billion in state funds UC expected to receive for the 2008-09 school year. And the outlook for next year is grim, officials said.</p>
<p>"If we can hold our own, we will be lucky," regents board chairman Richard Blum told reporters at the meeting at a UC San Francisco facility. "So we are running out of options."</p>
<p>Nevertheless, the regents' finance committee approved what was described as a very optimistic budget request for next year, seeking about $530 million more in state general funds, to stake out an early negotiating stance in Sacramento. That plan would include a 9.4% rise, or about $662 more a year, in in-state undergraduate student fees, to a total average of about $8,670. The cost of room, board, books and other expenses can add $12,000 to $14,000 more. Regents probably will not vote on the controversial fee proposal until spring.</p>
<p>On enrollment, Yudof and the UC regents clearly were reluctant to follow the proposal issued Monday by Charles B. Reed, chancellor of the 23-campus Cal State system. For the first time in Cal State history, Reed said, he is prepared to turn away qualified students because of the worsening state budget crisis and reduce the 450,000 student body by about 10,000 next year with early deadlines and tougher entrance standards.</p>
<p>In another matter Wednesday, Yudof announced his support for much of a faculty proposal that would overhaul freshman admissions standards starting with fall 2012. The proposed changes are intended to help applicants who fall short by a technicality or whose high schools do not offer enough UC-required classes. The regents, after much debate, are expected to vote on the matter in January.</p>
<p>Under the proposal, UC applicants would still be required to take the SAT exam or the ACT test with a writing section but would no longer have to take two supplemental subject exams in such areas as history or math.</p>
<p>Under current policies, students are evaluated separately by each campus to which they apply. If they are turned down and still deemed eligible for the UC system, they are guaranteed a spot at campuses that have space, often Riverside or Merced.</p>
<p>The plan would reduce the number of students guaranteed such admission from the academically top 12.5% of all high school graduates statewide to 9% and broaden the chances of students based on how they ranked in their high school.</p>
<p>A new category of applicants, called Entitled to Review, would be created to allow campuses to at least look at some students who have slightly lower grades and may be late in finishing requirements. Under the faculty plan, those students would have needed a minimum GPA of 2.8 without the grade boosts that UC gives for honors classes. On Wednesday, Yudof recommended that the lowest GPA for that group be 3.0, or a B, with the extra score for honors courses. He said many people believed the 2.8 GPA appeared to lower standards and might have discouraged students from taking honors and Advanced Placement courses.</p>
<p>Gordon is a Times staff writer.</p>
<p>Nope, I don't care if you're Mexican, Asian or European; do it legally. My parents did it through a long and tedious process and without breaking any laws or causing "much" grief.</p>
<p>Illegal immigrants used to participate mostly in the agricultural sector. Even that has been detrimental considering the development of agricultural tech in the US has lagged significantly behind that of Europe. Many of the up and coming farming methods are already in use in the E.U.</p>
<p>What's worse is illegal immigrants are slowly making their way into industries like construction. Jobs in these industries used to be jobs that paid well. The explosive growth cheap labor has allowed for in these industries has probably been detrimental. I'll let you connect the dots.</p>
<p>Small businesses that can't operate without illegal immigrant labor and can't pay a decent wage are inefficient and should not be in business anyway.</p>
<p>Big businesses that utilize illegal immigrants and pay substandard wages are simply trying to accomplish the ever impossible goal of bringing increased shareholder satisfaction and confidence.</p>
<p>Add this on top of the fact this population creates burdens disproportionate to their size on services like healthcare (especially), education, and law enforcement.</p>
<p>usmc_izzy: I think you will find a lot of supporters for sane immigration policies are not all from the stereotypical "conservative" spectrum. I said nothing about advocating a lower minimum wage, etc. Even illegal immigrants should be paid more than what they are getting while they are working here.</p>
<p>Tell me MB260E, where are your parents originally from? Have you maybe thought that some people out there cannot go through this long and tedious process because their economic or social situations are just too hard to deal with? U.S. citizens do not seem to mind their produce being so cheap, or their houses getting cleaned for less than minimum wage right? You know what is ironic, there is a form out there given out by the IRS which gives illegal immigrants a number called an ITIN whose basic purpose is to be an identification for tax paying? Im afraid to tell all of you that indeed the vast majority of illegal "aliens" do pay taxes.</p>
<p>^ROFL It's amusing to see that you have faith that they would pay TAXES optionally when they don't have to. Dreamers...</p>
<p>Blah blah blah about your bleeding heart for those that can't afford it. My parents came from a poor part of Asia, and not Shanghai or Beijing...we're talking farms and pennies. Go preach elsewhere.</p>
<p>I just had this conversation the other day with my girlfriend.</p>
<p>Look, I feel bad and have compassion for illegal immigrants from Mexico. They have an unfortunate life. Can I blame them from escaping their hell hole? No. But can they blame us for trying to keep them off of our welfare? I dont think so. </p>
<p>America has enough money problems at the moment, that we can not afford to pay for illegal non-citizens schooling, hospital visits, and other programs they do not pay for. Like Comrade said, society always will adapt. If all the illegal aliens were removed from America, businesses that cannot compete will go out of business. Fine. Consumers might pay a little more for their groceries. Fine. I'd rather pay a little more for food, rather than donate my hard earned money someday to non-tax paying aliens. </p>
<p>Okay, I sound a little insensitive. But please, can we come up with a plan better than granting immunity to millions of illegals, or kicking all illegals out of the country once and for all.</p>
<p>capsantos:
quote: "I'm afraid to tell all of you that indeed the vast majority of illegal "aliens" do pay taxes."
Where did you get this information? Until last Jan I was a revenue agent for the past seven years. True that undocumented individuals can get an ITIN but that is only to file taxes, not to work... I can't tell you how many times (every day) I have pulled up an account with multiple use on a taxpayer's ss # in which was stolen and then multiple people have purchased and are now using.. it creates serious problems w/ identity theft, fraud & underreporting of income to name just a few, and when there are problems w/ taxes not being paid, then guess who gets the wage garnishments and bank levies... you guessed it, the individuals who are the rightful owners of the ss #'s. In addition, I have been on hundreds of audits from people not reporting money they have made under the table...many, many of them being undocumented... so what I'm asking you is what is the vast majority? What percentage are you talking about?</p>
<p>Well they do pay one tax, ever heard of sales tax?</p>
<p>I love how we're blaming UC selectivity on illegal immigrants. :D</p>
<p>to the OP... i apologize that your thread kind of wondered off topic... but to answer your question, I feel that transfer students actually have the best advantage. We (students at Berkeley) received an email a few weeks ago listing some steps in addressing the budget issues and one idea they said was that they might have to limit freshmen enrollment starting this next round of admissions decisions. One of my friends who works for the Office of Registrar said that they always discuss ways to cut costs and that cutting transfer admissions is never even considered because it cost a lot less to bring transfers in than it does for freshmen. I don't know if that will always be the case in the future but for now I'm sure every transfer hopeful on this board will be fine this year.</p>
<p>grey, i was thinking of the same thing. lol</p>