<p>Hello.how would you rank the following universities:UT austin, UNC chapel hill, UW, UCLA , University of michigan ,University of illinois .
Here my stats
ACT:math:34 Sci:35 reading:35 engl:33
Sat1:no
SAT2: French 750 Math:750 Physics 700</p>
<p>UCLA
Umich
UNC
UT Austin
Uillinois/UW</p>
<p>First, I must say that those are 6 of the top 8 state universities in the United States. All 6 of them are incredible. This said, if I had to rate them, I'd probably say:</p>
<h1>1 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</h1>
<h1>2 University of California-Los Angeles</h1>
<h1>3 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill</h1>
<h1>3 University of Texas-Austin</h1>
<h1>3 University of Wisconsin-Madison</h1>
<h1>6 University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign</h1>
<p>But like I said, all 6 of those universities is excellent.</p>
<p>Given your stats, I'd say most of those schools will offer you some sort of scholarship.</p>
<p>Well I'm pretty sure they look at a lot more than ACT and SAT scores for giving out scholarships. You need a strong GPA and top ten % class rank also.</p>
<p>UMichigan</p>
<p>UCLA
UNC-Chapel Hill</p>
<p>UWisconsin</p>
<p>UTexas
UIllinois</p>
<p>UIllinois > UTexas for undergrad. But NOT for graduate studies</p>
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UIllinois > UTexas for undergrad. But NOT for graduate studies
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Well, that all depends on your area of study, since graduate school is a lot more focused than undergrad. Generally speaking, though, you may be correct.</p>
<p>IMO, if you're looking at UNC-Chapel Hill, you may as well look at UVa too. UVa is probably a bit better overall</p>
<p>alexandre, what are the other two that even out the top eight? I can think of four to round out the top ten</p>
<p>UCB
UCSD
UVA
William and Mary</p>
<p>Berkeley and Virginia.</p>
<h1>1 University of Michigan-Ann Arbor</h1>
<h1>2 University of California-Los Angeles</h1>
<h1>3 University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill</h1>
<h1>4 University of Texas-Austin</h1>
<h1>5 University of Wisconsin-Madison</h1>
<h1>6 University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign</h1>
<p>I would put it like this.</p>
<p>Those you list are good and highly regarded publics (did you mean Wisconsin or Washington by UW?). If GPA is as good as ACT score, You have a good shot at all of them. Of them: (a) UCLA is hardest to get into if you are out-of-state (OOS); (b) Texas also difficult because of its 10% rule (it must admit all Texas residents who apply who are in top 10% of high school class regardless of test score and thus many seats are used up by that group as a result); (c) UIUC evaluates OOS on same level as in-state and thus is one of the easier of the group to get into if OOS; (c) only UCLA requires SAT II's (and only two); (d) UCLA and UNC have the better weather, followed by Austin, and UW (if Wisconsin), Mich and UIUC are cold (including some below zero fahrenheit) and snowy during their long winters; (e) depending on grades, you might be able to qualify for some merit aid at any of them but do not expect a large amount and none provides need based financial aid to internationals.</p>
<p>Kiplinger recently ranked OOS colleges for value:</p>
<h1>3 UNC Chapel Hill</h1>
<h1>6 William & Mary</h1>
<h1>7 UVA</h1>
<h1>12 UT Austin</h1>
<h1>13 UCLA</h1>
<h1>14 UIUC</h1>
<h1>27 Michigan</h1>
<h1>28 Washington</h1>
<p>Yep, that's right. There's a reason UNC, W&M, and UVA are in the top 10 for value. UNC has produced 39 Rhodes Scholars (the same as Dartmouth and more than Chicago and MIT), and UVA has produced 59. How many has UCLA produced? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Alternately, you may prefer the US News ranking of value. </p>
<h1>9 UNC Chapel Hill</h1>
<h1>17 UVA</h1>
<h1>31 UT Austin</h1>
<h1>47 UC Berkeley (below NC State, TAMU, IIT, and U Georgia!)</h1>
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UNC has produced 39 Rhodes Scholars (the same as Dartmouth and more than Chicago and MIT), and UVA has produced 59.
How many has UCLA produced?
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<p>Given that Rhodes scholarships are allocated regionally, this distinction means a lot less than you might think. UCLA is a strong school in a Rhodes district that is incredibly competitive (California, which includes all campuses of the UC, the Claremont Colleges, Caltech, and Stanford). UVA is in a district spanning Virginia and Ohio, which includes ... well, UVA. UNC is in a district comprised of Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina, which includes UNC, Duke, and ...?</p>
<p>Drop UVA and UNC into the same district with the California schools and lets see what happens. UVA and UNC would be competitive, but certainly not dominant.</p>
<p>You did know how Rhodes Scholarships are distributed in the US, didn't you? Did you know there are only 32 Rhodes Scholarships given out in the US each year, but that 10 are given out in Australia, with 1/15 the population of the US? If you want to go to Oxford for free, try emigrating to Australia as a child.</p>
<p>Hahaha...you fail to include that you can compete in a region that you're from though you attend a school in another region. Most people that have won a Rhodes Scholarship from California's region didn't attend California schools but universities out East.</p>
<p>Heh. Thank you Globalist. Every time I get snarky on a forum this happens. You would think I would learn. Mea culpa.</p>
<p>So, given that three of the Ivies and the service academies seem to have granted more Rhodes Scholarships than the rest of the colleges in the US put together, what is it about the Rhodes trustees that makes them focus on such a narrow band of American college students? Given their emphasis on leadership, the overrepresentation of the academies make sense, but how does the rest of it? Hmm...</p>
<p>elsijfdl, the two other state schools that make up my personal top 8 are Cal and UVa. W&M is awesome, but it is very limited and UCSD, although stellar (top 15 nationally) at the graduate level, simply doesn't have the resources to adequately support 20,000 undergrads. Those two are definitely among the top 10 or so public schools, but if I were to select just 8, I would probably not include them. </p>
<p>Rick Tyler, one of the reasons why H,P and Y have produced so many Rhodes Scholars is because those three universities have always provided a great deal of advising purely for the purpose of the Rhodes scholarship. They actually have specialists purely devoted to helping students prepare for the awar. Of course, the fact that they have incredibly gifted students doesn't hurt. And the service academies typically represent service to one's country, and as such, their students are generally viewed as upstanding citizens. </p>
<p>We should remember that most elite universities have produced anywhere from 10-40 Rhodes scholars in close to 100 years, so needless to say, the award should not be viewed as a measure of institutional quality.</p>
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Given that Rhodes scholarships are allocated regionally, this distinction means a lot less than you might think. UCLA is a strong school in a Rhodes district that is incredibly competitive (California, which includes all campuses of the UC, the Claremont Colleges, Caltech, and Stanford). UVA is in a district spanning Virginia and Ohio, which includes ... well, UVA. UNC is in a district comprised of Georgia, North Carolina and South Carolina, which includes UNC, Duke, and ...?
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<p>Yeah, but at the end of the day, this doesn't really matter. Perhaps it's not 'fair' for the Rhodes to be awarded regionally. But fairness has nothing to do with it. If you want to win a Rhodes, you want to arm yourself with all of the advantages, even if those advantages are "unfair" advantages. See below.</p>
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Hahaha...you fail to include that you can compete in a region that you're from though you attend a school in another region. Most people that have won a Rhodes Scholarship from California's region didn't attend California schools but universities out East.
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<p>It is exactly right that the notion of region is somewhat squishy. Bill Clinton once admitted in some of his biographies that one main advantage he had in competing for the Rhodes is that he was able to declare Arkansas residency which put him in a far less competitive region than if he had decided to declare Washington DC residency (as a Georgetown student). </p>
<p>That also points to another reason why the California region is not as competitive as you might presume. True, Stanford, CAltech, and the Claremonts are located in the state of California. But many of the students at those schools are from out of state and may therefore declare their residency to be their home state.</p>
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Rick Tyler, one of the reasons why H,P and Y have produced so many Rhodes Scholars is because those three universities have always provided a great deal of advising purely for the purpose of the Rhodes scholarship. They actually have specialists purely devoted to helping students prepare for the award.
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<p>And this is yet another reason to prefer schools like HYP. To win awards like this, you want as much help as you can get, and the truth is, a lot of schools, especially public schools, simply won't help you very much. For example, at Berkeley, I know that if you want to win the Rhodes, it's basically all you. The help you will get from Berkeley is minimal. You will not get heavy advising as to how to put together a strong application package, or how to write an essay that the Rhodes committee likes, or which profs will give strong letters of recommendation that are especially appealing to the committee. You will not be put in touch with an extensive network of previous winners who will be able to coach you on the process. I believe the same is true at UCLA, Michigan, and most other public schools (but perhaps not at Virginia or UNC). In short, certain schools give you a major leg up in terms of winning the Rhodes, and if that's what you want, you should go to those certain schools.</p>
<p>Sakky, only three universities (H,P and Y) really give their students a better shot at the Rhodes scholarship. It so happens that those are three of the top 5 universities in the US. Clearly, if a student gets into one of those schools, barring any financial restrictions or complete social incompatibility, she/he should go for it. But the dropoff in the number of Rhodes produced by an institution drops significantly after those three schools.</p>