State U's compared on school quality factors

College Search & Selection
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<p>Instead of just focusing on the SAT scores of the 18 year olds who happen to select one school over another here are some hard facts about what many academics would consider key indicators of the actual quality of the university itself</p>

<p>Quality of Major state U's</p>

<p>Major Faculty Awards
2006
Some of the faculty award programs included in this measure are: American Council of Learned Societies; Fulbright; Guggenheim; MacArthur Foundation; National Endowment for the Humanities; National Institutes of Health; Newberry Library; Pew Charitable Trusts; Robert Wood Johnson Foundation; Sloan Foundation; and Woodrow Wilson Fellows.</p>

<p>1 University of Michigan 51
2 University of California - San Diego 48
3 University of California - Berkeley 44
4 University of California - Los Angeles 42
4 University of Wisconsin 42
6 Pennsylvania State University 28
7 University of Texas 27
7 University of Washington 27
9 University of North Carolina 26
10 University of Florida 25
11 University of Minnesota 24
12 University of Pittsburgh 23
13 University of California - Irvine 22
13 University of Illinois 22
15 University of California - Davis 20
16 Rutgers the State University of NJ 18
16 University of Arizona 18
18 Ohio State University 17
18 Texas A&M University 17
18 University of Maryland 17
21 University of Virginia 16
22 University of Colorado 15
22 University of Oregon 15
24 Purdue University 14
24 University of California - Santa Barbara 14
26 Indiana University 12
26 Iowa State University 12
26 Stony Brook University - SUNY 12
26 University of Iowa 12
30 Michigan State University 11
31 University of Buffalo - SUNY 10
32 University of Kansas 9
33 University of Missouri 7
34 University of Nebraska 4</p>

<p>NAS Memebrs-2008</p>

<p>1 University of California - Berkeley 131
2 University of California - San Diego 67
3 University of Washington 44
3 University of Wisconsin 44
5 University of California - Los Angeles 31
6 University of Illinois 29
7 University of California - Santa Barbara 28
8 University of California - Irvine 22
9 University of California - Davis 21
10 University of Michigan 20
11 Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey 19
12 University of Arizona 16
12 University of Colorado 16
14 University of Texas 15
15 Pennsylvania State University 14
15 University of Maryland 14
17 Indiana University 11
17 University of Florida 11</p>

<p>National acad eng.</p>

<p>1 University of California - Berkeley 74 18 Pennsylvania State University 10
2 University of Texas 49 19 Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey 8
3 University of Illinois 29 19 University of California - Davis 8
4 University of California - Santa Barbara 25 19 University of California - Irvine 8
5 University of Michigan 22 22 University of Florida 7
6 Purdue University 20 23 Iowa State University 6
7 University of California - Los Angeles 19 24 University of North Carolina 5
7 University of Wisconsin 19 2 5 University of Kansas 4
9 University of California - San Diego 18 2 6 University of Pittsburgh 3
10 University of Minnesota 17 27 University at Buffalo - SUNY 2
11 Texas A&M University 15 28 Indiana University 1
11 University of Washington 15 2 8 Stony Brook University - SUNY 1
13 Ohio State University 11 28 University of Iowa 1
13 University of Arizona 11 28 University of Nebraska 1
13 University of Colorado 11 28 University of Oregon 1
13 University of Maryland 11 33 Michigan State University 0
13 University of Virginia 11</p>

<p>American Academy arts and aciences</p>

<p>1 University of California - Berkeley 186 17 University of Arizona 13
2 University of California - San Diego 87 17 University of California - Davis 13
3 University of California - Los Angeles 85 20 University of Colorado 12
4 University of Michigan 71 21 Stony Brook University - SUNY 11
5 University of Wisconsin 59 22 University of Iowa 10
6 University of Washington 46 23 University of Oregon 9
7 University of California - Irvine 35 23 University of Pittsburgh 9
8 University of North Carolina 33 25 Ohio State University 8
9 University of Illinois 30 25 University of Florida 8
10 University of Texas 28 27 Michigan State University 5
11 University of California - Santa Barbara 24 28 Purdue University 3
11 University of Minnesota 24 29 Texas A&M University 2
11 University of Virginia 24 29 University at Buffalo - SUNY 2
14 Indiana University 16 29 University of Kansas 2
14 Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey 16 29 University of Missouri 2
16 University of Maryland 14 33 Iowa State University 0
17 Pennsylvania State University 13 33 University of Nebraska</p>

<p>Combined Ranking all Academy Members</p>

<p>1 University of California - Berkeley 399 18 University of Maryland 40
2 University of California - San Diego 189 19 University of Colorado 39
3 University of California - Los Angeles 147 20 Ohio State University 30
4 University of Michigan 135 21 Indiana University 28
5 University of Wisconsin 130 21 University of Florida 28
6 University of Washington 129 23 University of Pittsburgh 26
7 University of Texas 93 24 Purdue University 24
8 University of Illinois 89 24 Texas A&M University 24
9 University of California - Santa Barbara 78 26 Stony Brook University - SUNY 22
10 University of California - Irvine 69 27 University of Iowa 19
11 University of North Carolina 64 28 University of Oregon 16
12 University of Minnesota 54 29 Michigan State University 12
13 Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey 50 3 0 Iowa State University 9
13 University of Virginia 50 31 University at Buffalo - SUNY 8
15 University of California - Davis 47 31 University of Kansas 8
16 University of Arizona 42 31 University of Missouri 8
17 Pennsylvania State University 41 34 University of Nebraska</p>

<p>Libraries</p>

<p>1 University of California - Berkeley 1 0,725,334
2 University of Illinois 1 0,712,706
3 University of Texas 9,323,252
4 University of Michigan 8,414,070
5 University of California - Los Angeles 8,272,112
6 University of Wisconsin 7,916,419
7 Indiana University 7,553,823
8 University of Washington 7,304,234
9 University of Minnesota 6,867,777
10 Ohio State University 6,244,095
11 University of North Carolina 6,154,365
12 University of Arizona 5,632,559
13 University of Virginia 5,465,077
14 Pennsylvania State University 5,220,080
15 University of Pittsburgh 5,116,305
16 Michigan State 4,915,621
17 University of Iowa 4,765,690
18 Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey 4,462,249
19 University of Florida 4,229,717
20 University of Kansas 4,210,639
21 University of Colorado 3,843,458
22 Texas A&M University 3,739,081
23 University at Buffalo - SUNY 3,655,089
24 University of Maryland 3,623,376
25 University of California - Davis 3,599,983
26 University of Missouri 3,454,585
27 University of California - San Diego 3,360,442
28 University of Nebraska 3,171,134
29 University of California - Santa Barbara 2,914,539
30 University of Oregon 2,905,608
31 University of California - Irvine 2,778,921
32 Purdue University 2,504,803
33 Iowa State University 2,500,880
34 Stony Brook University - SUNY 2,240,758</p>

<p>Total R&D Exp (000s)</p>

<p>1 U. CA, San Francisco 842,840
2 U. WI Madison 840,672
3 U. CA, Los Angeles 823,083
4 U. MI all campuses 808,731
5 U. CA, San Diego 798,896
6 U. WA 756,787
7 OH State U. all campuses 720,206
8 PA State U. all campuses 652,144
9 U. MN all campuses 624,149
10 U. CA, Davis 600,508
11 U. FL 592,835
12 U. Pittsburgh all campuses 558,566
13 U. CA, Berkeley 552,365
14 TX A&M U. 543,888
15 U. AZ 531,753
16 U. CO all campuses 527,587
17 U. TX M. D. Anderson Cancer Ctr. 496,539
18 U. NC Chapel Hill 477,231
19 U. IL Urbana-Champaign 473,890
20 GA Institute of Technology all campuses 472,591
21 U. TX Austin 446,765
22 Purdue U. all campuses 415,172
23 U. Cincinnati all campuses 375,852
24 LA State U. all campuses 372,421
25 VA Polytechnic Institute and State U. 366,960</p>

<p><a href="http://oirap.rutgers.edu/instchar/factpdf/aau08.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://oirap.rutgers.edu/instchar/factpdf/aau08.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>What about the total amount of Rhodes Scholars each school has produced? I know that UVa is number 1, and as of last year UNC and UGA were tied for second, but I haven’t been able to find a list that details the schools that aren’t in the top 3.</p>

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<p>This list must be excluding some schools, because I knew off the top of my head that OSU’s library should be on that list. OSU’s Edmon Low Library contains 2,867,680 volumes, which would place it between Oregon and UCI. OU brags about over 5 million volumes in their libraries, ranking 27th in the nation and 2nd in the Big 12… they’re also missing from this list, because they would rank between Penn State and Pitt. Auburn has 2.7 million volumes, which would rank it between UCI and Purdue. That’s just 3 schools, out of 5 that I checked after noticing they were missing (Texas Tech and Arkansas aren’t on the list, and I checked their volumes, and it was correct to leave them off).</p>

<p>The library volumes were just the easiest rankings to attack. The others would involve more research and fact finding, but I’m sure they’re amiss too. Besides, there are also other lists to consider. How do the schools rank for NMS students? How do the schools rank for Truman Scholars? Goldwater Scholars? Rhodes Scholars? And so on…</p>

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<p>Goldwater Scholars
State universities in the top 20 of all colleges/universities through March 2006

  1. Kansas State=57 (#4 among all colleges/universities in the country)
  2. Penn State University=52
  3. University of Illinois-Urbana=51
  4. University of Virginia=45
  5. Montana State University=45
  6. University of Michigan=43
  7. University of Kansas=41</p>

<p>Marshall Scholars
Top 24 State Universities with Recipients, 1954-2009

  1. UC-Berkeley=28
  2. Texas, Illinois=21
  3. Wisconsin=17
  4. Michigan, North Carolina=16
  5. Indiana=15
  6. Arizona State=14
  7. Michigan State=13
  8. UCLA, Kansas State=12
  9. Pittsburgh=9
  10. Georgia Tech, Kansas=8
  11. Virginia, Penn State, Purdue=7
  12. Arizona, Arkansas-6
  13. Washington, Colorado, Georgia, Nebraska, Oklahoma=5</p>

<p>Could not find aggregate stats for Truman Scholars</p>

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<p>Some schools might not be included because they are not in the Association of American Universities which is a selective membership organization for major research universities.</p>

<p>[Association</a> of American Universities](<a href=“http://www.aau.edu/]Association”>http://www.aau.edu/)</p>

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<p>hmmm…let’s suppose I’m a top science or engineering student applying to colleges…and I eventually plan to go to graduate school to earn a doctorate…and I’m aware that it’s very competitive to get into a top graduate program…so, I conclude the best way to do this is to do research as an undergrad…and maybe compete for a top national award…</p>

<p>Should I go to Berkeley, which has highly ranked science and engineering departments and many faculty who are members of the National Academy of Sciences and the National Academy of Engineering… or,
should I go to Kansas State which USNWR ranks #130 among national universities (undergraduate), has an acceptance rate of 96.2%, has no graduate science or engineering departments ranked above #75, and has few or no members of the national academies?</p>

<p>Well, let’s see…Kansas State undergrads have won 57 Goldwater Scholarships (through 2006). That’s only 7 fewer than Princeton and 3 fewer than Harvard. It’s 6 more than Cal Tech and 16 more than MIT. Is Berkeley even ranked in the top 20?..nope. The Goldwater Scholarship is the most pretigious US award for undergraduates in science and engineering.</p>

<p>It’s a tough choice…but I might be better off at Kansas State…K-State must be doing something right…</p>

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<p>the point is that if you are a brilliant student and you take advantage of all the resources of your school as the Goldwater Scholars at Kansas State have obviously done, you can do just as well as people from Harvard.</p>

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<p>Or, if you’re a brilliant student at Berkeley or MIT and you take advantage of all the resources your school offers, you too can do just as well as the students at Kansas State.</p>

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<p>The other point is that indicators like the number of faculty who are members of the national academies, number of books in the library, the number of faculty awards, etc. are INPUTS. While presumably these give some indication of quality, we don’t know how they translate into OUTCOMES, except perhaps in terms of overall faculty research productivity and journal citations.</p>

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<p>The main thing places like K state do right is package students to win awards.</p>

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<p>^^^^ Why do you say that? Because it’s just a backward ag school and it shouldn’t get so uppity? On a level playing field, K-State students competed and did well. What’s wrong with that? With equal accuracy, one could say the main thing that places like Harvard do right is package their students to win such awards. You don’t think Harvard or any other school whose students win a Rhodes or any other major award grooms those students to do so? Whether a student who wins a Goldwater comes from K-State or Harvard, there is some meritorious basis for his or her selection; it’s not just all packaging.</p>

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<p>I’m glad to see that extra $20 I slipped you to leave OFF Nobel winners was effective.</p>

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<p>^ Heh…</p>

<p>I can get that list started. </p>

<p>Current faculty Nobel Prize winners:
Berkeley: 7</p>

<p>Barrons, you should throw in some top privates for comparison purposes… ;)</p>

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<p>A couple–different source some some small variations.</p>

<p>“The Top 200 Institutions–National Academy Membership
(2007)”<br>
X<br>
“Top 1-50 Institutions
in National Academy Membership
(2007)” Number of Members National Rank
Harvard University 284 1
Stanford University 264 2
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 239 3
University of California - Berkeley 214 4
University of California - San Diego 110 5
California Institute of Technology 107 6
Yale University 106 7
Columbia University 101 8
Princeton University 101 8
University of California - San Francisco 99 10
University of Washington - Seattle 90 11
University of Pennsylvania 88 12
Johns Hopkins University 85 13
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor 77 14
University of California - Los Angeles 73 15
University of Wisconsin - Madison 72 16
Cornell University 63 17
University of Texas - Austin 59 18
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign 56 19
Duke University 54 20
University of California - Santa Barbara 52 21
University of Chicago 52 21
Rockefeller University 43 23
Washington University in St. Louis 43 23
New York University 39 25
Northwestern University 39 25
University of Southern California 38 27
University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 36 28
University of Texas SW Medical Center - Dallas 36 28
Rutgers the State University of NJ - New Brunswick 35 30
University of California - Davis 34 31
University of California - Irvine 34 31
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 32 33
Carnegie Mellon University 30 34
Georgia Institute of Technology 30 34
University of Arizona 30 34
University of Virginia 30 34
University of Rochester 27 38
Pennsylvania State University - University Park 26 39
University of Colorado - Boulder 26 39
University of Maryland - College Park 26 39
Scripps Research Institute 25 42
University of Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh 25 42
Emory University 23 44
Texas A&M University 22 45
Ohio State University - Columbus 21 46
Purdue University - West Lafayette 21 46
University of Florida 21 46
University of Iowa 21 46
Vanderbilt University 20 50 </p>

<p>“Top 47 Institutions
in Faculty Awards
(2006)” Number of Awards National Rank
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor 51 1
Harvard University 50 2
Johns Hopkins University 49 3
Yale University 48 4
University of California - San Diego 48 4
Stanford University 45 6
University of California - Berkeley 44 7
University of Wisconsin - Madison 42 8
University of California - Los Angeles 42 8
Duke University 40 10
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 38 11
Northwestern University 35 12
Columbia University 35 12
New York University 34 14
University of Pennsylvania 31 15
University of California - San Francisco 30 16
Pennsylvania State University - University Park 28 17
Princeton University 28 17
University of Washington - Seattle 27 19
University of Texas - Austin 27 19
Washington University in St. Louis 26 21
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 26 21
Vanderbilt University 25 23
University of Florida 25 23
University of Chicago 25 23
University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 24 26
University of Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh 23 27
University of California - Irvine 22 28
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign 22 28
University of Southern California 21 30
Cornell University 21 30
University of Utah 21 30
Emory University 21 30
University of California - Davis 20 34
University of Massachusetts - Amherst 19 35
University of Arizona 18 36
Carnegie Mellon University 18 36
University of Notre Dame 17 38
University of Maryland - College Park 17 38
Ohio State University - Columbus 17 38
Texas A&M University 16 41
University of Virginia 16 41
Scripps Research Institute 16 41
University of Colorado - Boulder 15 44
University of Oregon 15 44
Rutgers the State University of NJ - New Brunswick 15 44
Boston University 14 47
University of California - Santa Barbara 14 47
California Institute of Technology 14 47
Purdue University - West Lafayette 14 47 </p>

<p>“Top 1-50 Institutions
in Total Research Expenditures
(2006)” “Total Research
x $1000” National Rank
Johns Hopkins University 1,499,977 1
University of Wisconsin - Madison 831,895 2
University of California - Los Angeles 811,493 3
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor 800,488 4
University of California - San Francisco 796,149 5
University of Washington - Seattle 778,148 6
University of California - San Diego 754,766 7
Stanford University 679,196 8
University of Pennsylvania 676,052 9
Duke University 657,080 10
Ohio State University - Columbus 652,329 11
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 600,748 12
University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 594,877 13
University of California - Davis 573,002 14
Pennsylvania State University - University Park 567,549 15
University of Florida 565,491 16
Washington University in St. Louis 547,674 17
University of California - Berkeley 546,035 18
University of Arizona 535,847 19
University of Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh 530,162 20
Columbia University 529,945 21
Texas A&M University 492,955 22
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign 476,198 23
Baylor College of Medicine 462,375 24
Yale University 460,075 25
University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center 457,696 26
Harvard University 453,156 27
University of Southern California 450,173 28
Cornell University 443,879 29
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 443,790 30
Georgia Institute of Technology 440,898 31
University of Texas - Austin 431,398 32
Northwestern University 419,985 33
University of Maryland - Baltimore 405,260 34
Vanderbilt University 376,893 35
Purdue University - West Lafayette 372,958 36
Case Western Reserve University 369,264 37
Scripps Research Institute 367,375 38
University of Rochester 366,658 39
Michigan State University 358,097 40
University of Maryland - College Park 354,244 41
University of Iowa 346,357 42
Emory University 345,989 43
University of Texas SW Medical Center - Dallas 333,237 44
University of Illinois - Chicago 332,176 45
University of Alabama - Birmingham 331,436 46
North Carolina State University 330,936 47
University of Kentucky 323,958 48 </p>

<p>“Top 50 Institutions
in Annual Giving
(2007)” “Annual Giving
x $1000” National Rank
Stanford University 832,345 1
Harvard University 613,985 2
University of Southern California 469,647 3
Johns Hopkins University 430,455 4
Columbia University 423,849 5
University of Pennsylvania 392,421 6
Yale University 391,315 7
Duke University 372,328 8
University of California - Los Angeles 364,780 9
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 329,158 10
University of Chicago 328,328 11
University of Wisconsin - Madison 325,337 12
University of Washington - Seattle 300,200 13
University of Michigan - Ann Arbor 293,403 14
University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 288,750 15
New York University 287,587 16
Cornell University 284,848 17
University of Virginia 282,611 18
University of California - San Francisco 251,945 19
University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 246,864 20
University of California - Berkeley 242,602 21
Princeton University 230,572 22
University of Texas - Austin 228,759 23
Ohio State University - Columbus 225,558 24
University of Notre Dame 207,641 25
Purdue University - West Lafayette 200,683 26
Northwestern University 187,926 27
California Institute of Technology 183,257 28
University of Florida 182,617 29
Brown University 181,622 30
University of Miami 180,026 31
Indiana University - Bloomington 169,639 32
Texas A&M University 168,477 33
University of Texas SW Medical Center - Dallas 166,326 34
North Carolina State University 162,352 35
Washington University in St. Louis 158,213 36
Dartmouth College 156,604 37
Emory University 156,108 38
University of Arizona 143,957 39
University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center 142,313 40
Vanderbilt University 137,273 41
University of California - San Diego 134,094 42
University of Illinois - Urbana-Champaign 133,256 43
Pennsylvania State University - University Park 129,829 44
Texas Tech University 123,473 45
Cornell University Weill Medical College 122,078 46
University of Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh 121,137 47
Georgia Institute of Technology 119,455 48
Michigan State University 115,934 49
University of Iowa 115,484 50 </p>

<p>University of Georgia 323,843 49
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University 321,722 50</p>

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<p>Those are curious “Tags”, but I think they’d take better care of you in a private school setting. ;)</p>

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<p>Zapinfo, </p>

<p>The Goldwater and the Rhodes are very different beasties. The Goldwater is done by state of college attendance and each college is capped at 4 nominees each. </p>

<p>Rhodes winners are selected in 16 multistate regions, but since a student can apply in either the region of residence or the region of his college, they are in practice much more national. </p>

<p>Because of this, a college can have far more Rhodes winners than Marshall, and a few colleges, most notably Harvard, do - as many as 8 in one year if I recall correctly. </p>

<p>So Rhodes wins clearly demonstrate student achievement at the highest level, with one caveat: The rhodes announcements typically score based on undergraduate institution, even though a third or more of the winners win after they graduated, some as many as two or three years later. These older winners reflect just as much on their post-graduate accomplishments, but that does not seem to be counted. </p>

<p>Oh, one more thing: Winning a Rhodes is not just about packaging. Anyone who thinks so just does not know many Rhodes scholars.</p>