<p>with decisions just around the corner does anybody have statistics for internationals asking fin aid???
the website says that 20 - 25 students are awarded aid but how many aplly for aid?? any idea??</p>
<p>I'm sure Duke tries to satisfy the aid of all those international students who apply. If they feel that they can't give aid to those students they will reject them. In other words, those 25 percent of internationals who get aid, probably are the only ones that apply + get admitted. </p>
<p>I have no idea how many do apply when they submit the application though. Personally I'm an international too from Canada and am not applying aid.</p>
<p>I live in the United States, but I am not a citizen yet. If I am accepted to Duke the chances of me getting any financial aid are very slim, which makes attending Duke so much harder than the majority of the other universities I applied to.
I got into another university full ride, and although it does not compare to Duke, it might become a more viable option if I do not receive admission at the other more selective schools I am still waiting to hear from.
I guess this is just a big rant to unleash my frustration with the entire international student financial aid program at Duke.</p>
<p>hdwang, its not 25% of int'ls who get aid. It's 25 people per year who get aid. In other words, if you're an int'l asking aid... you're chances are pretty much decimated, especially for a top school like Duke.</p>
<p>BTW dag89, you're not alone. I'm still a junior, but I'm furious that even unis like Stanford, UofC and Duke are need-aware for int'ls. Heck, UofC doesn't even let you apply EA if you're an int'l asking for cash</p>
<p>oh sry for the number mistakes. Yea, it is pretty suicide for internationals to apply aid. But think of it this way, why would i pay 1/4 million dollars (USD) for you, a foreigner, to come to my school to study? unless you cured cancer then take a hike. that's the reasoning.</p>
<p>hdwang, what do you mean with this why-would-I-pay-for-a-foreigner? Why would you pay for anybody? You only pay for yourself, Duke awards the scholarships (Yes, you, as a student/parent, might pay something to Duke, but then Duke is paying and not you). And, since Duke is a private institution, you also don't pay taxes that would be "wasted" on internationals.</p>
<p>Apart from that, even assuming that you personally would pay for a foreigner, what would be worse in doing that than paying for a US citizen? Are internationals worse human beings? Or is it the fact that internationals might leave the US and spend the money they'll make in other countries so that the US economy isn't benefiting from that? US citizens could just as well decide to leave the US after college, just as internationals that are willing to spend 4 years of college in a foreign country might be willing to stay and even become citizens.</p>
<p>Sorry but I have to disagree to your argument.</p>
<p>I agree that aid for international students is pretty terrible among most institutions. As described here, Duke falls into this category. Duke has two pools for international students -- those not seeking aid are considered among the normal applicant pool, and those seeking aid compete for a very small number of scholarships and the rest are denied admission. </p>
<p>A large reason for this system is that international students are ineligible for federal aid, which typically makes up a significant portion of an institution's aid package. Still, you'd think institutions with large endowments that have recently increase endowment output to increase financial aid -- including both Duke and Stanford -- would be able to make up the difference!</p>
<p>international students are not treated as inferior human beings, but you are going to a foreign country who's government has no responsibility whatsoever for you. It is you who chose to go there, and it must be you who have the money to go there. The US Gov ain't gonna kneel and beg for you to go? Unless you are Jesus Christ then Congress might make an exception for that. It's perfectly logical that private schs like Duke would try to satisfy the financial needs of their citizens, and any leftovers would then be tried to satisfy international students who do not even belong to the country. In this sense, yes international students do not take priority in this matter and are therefore, to a certain extent, 'second-class students' (Heavy quotation marks here).</p>
<p>The government isn't going to pay for the international students at private colleges. It's also not going to pay for the US citizens at private colleges. And the college does not get more money if it admits a US citizen than it gets if it admits an international student if both receive the same amount of financial aid. I see that as a matter of 'loyalty', it's reasonable to prefer the US citizen, but I was anyway more wondering why you were talking about "why would I (you)" pay and not the college, but I think I misunderstood you and you were talking from the pov of the college :)</p>
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<p>You just contradicted yourself, and it seems that except for HYPM + Williams + Middlebury + Dartmouth, EVERY other institution in the U.S. considers int'ls 'inferior' and therefore 'second-class students'</p>
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BTW dag89, you're not alone. I'm still a junior, but I'm furious that even unis like Stanford, UofC and Duke are need-aware for int'ls. Heck, UofC doesn't even let you apply EA if you're an int'l asking for cash
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Why should you be furious? Why should an American University use their endowment dollars to pay for you to attend their university? If I were to apply to a college in **your **country and asked for financial aid, would I be provided assistance? I think not. </p>
<p>American schools are most interested in educating US citizens. If they want diversity by adding international students, there are many full-paying international students with good statistics that the schools could choose from.</p>
<p>If the schools are looking for socio-economic diversity, there are many U.S. kids from poor families that would jump at the opportunity to be admitted. </p>
<p>Come to our schools if you would like, but don't expect the US school to pay your ride.</p>
<p>JustJoe49, I think the major flaw in your argument is that many top universities, including Duke, actually consider themselves global universities nowadays, not national ones. </p>
<p>In previous centuries, many universities taught mostly residents of their states, and then of their regions. In the last century, many universities have come to consider themselves as having a national mission and purpose. Today, they often see a global one.</p>
<p>Although it is true many schools would like a diverse student body, unfortunately, that desire doesn't appear to translate into financial aid for international students. Considering there are currently only 7 schools that are need blind for international students, and only a small list of additional schools that offer FA to more than a handful of international applicants, I believe my original statement is correct: "American schools are most interested in educating American students."</p>
<p>Can anyone please tell me what colleges **in your country **I could apply to and receive a generous Financial Aid package? Do schools in other countries offer aid to American citizens?</p>