<p>Going off the “dazzling” discussion a few pages ago, can the “something cool” you create with your hands be a published mathematical lecture?</p>
<p>The race rates look good. But I think the Ivy Leagues are very different from MIT. Most value diversity over better applicants. They also prefer those who can pay full tuition.</p>
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<p>This implicitly assumes that there is a dichotomy between “diversity” and “merit.” I fundamentally disagree with this premise. </p>
<p>Look, all schools, including (I hate to say it) the Ivies, have fundamentally solid admissions processes. No one is going to admit a student who is not academically prepared, because that student is going to fail out. </p>
<p>The question then becomes: assuming academic preparation, what should we look to next? </p>
<p>When we say we value “diversity”, we mean “many different perspectives, experiences, and skills.” That means some kids who are good at math. That means some kids who are rich and some kids who are poor. That means some who are part of dominant social groups and some kids who are part of subaltern social groups. Because the idea is that you get a lot of people together and they learn from each other. You prevent intellectual and social inbreeding by fostering crosspollenization. </p>
<p>Also - the Ivies are, AFAIK, all need-blind, as is MIT. I can tell you that that isn’t an empty ideal. At least for us, our admissions process - and office - is completely separate from FinAid. And I believe the same to be true of our counterparts in the Ivies.</p>
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<p>Actually it is not true. Certainly several of the Ivies are not need-blind for all of their students. For example Columbia announces that “Columbia is need-blind for US Citizens, US Permanent Residents and persons granted refugee visas by the US.” For foreign applicants, Columbia is need-aware. There are actually only 6 schools in the US that are both need blind for admissions and guarantee full need for finaid for all of their applicants (MIT, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, and Amherst) down from 9 a few years ago.</p>
<p>Even at the Ivies which are truly need-blind, they is not necessarily a segregation between the admissions and finaid offices. For example Harvard runs a combined admissions and finaid office. I was talking to one of their senior Directors at a function a couple of weeks ago, and I specifically asked how that worked for them, because it really is the same people who are in the admissions committee who are a few weeks later putting the finaid packages together.</p>
<p>Sorry to bring up an old thread, but does anyone know the percentage of URMs that got in out of the URMs that applied? So basically, of all the URMs that applied to MIT, how many got in?</p>
<p>This thread was started two years ago.</p>
<p>I don’t know if that information is available. You can find a lot of information here [MIT</a> Office of the Provost, Institutional Research](<a href=“MIT Institutional Research”>MIT Institutional Research) though it doesn’t separate people by race.</p>
<p>Perhaps the information you’re most interested in from this data set is this:</p>
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<p>But let me tell you that I did not get in because of affirmative action. I am just as intelligent as the men around me. The same applies to all of my female friends.</p>
<p>Our p-set group for 6.006 (into to algorithms) contains nine women and one man; creativity and intellectual contribution are spread evenly throughout the group. I have never been judged for my gender at MIT, except when it comes to dating. The women here are not stupider than the men.</p>
<p>Let me tell you also that for the first time in my life, there are more than five women in my math, science, and computer science classes. And I like it a lot better that way. My life is completely different from my mom’s when she tried to be a mathematician, and was shunned for being one of only four girls in her entire math-intensive high school. (Of those four women, I believe two dropped out because of the social pressure.)</p>
<p>Thank you for the link! I found the number of Hispanics that enrolled, but I couldn’t find how many originally applied. Does anyone have that information? MITchris maybe?</p>
<p>By the way, lidusha, I am interested in electrical engineering/computer science (course 6) as well!</p>