How many people apply to Goizueta business school and how
many actually get in? Is the process tough ?
I was admitted into Goizueta this year from Oxford an have to admit the process is very competitive. Goizueta only admitted 30 students from here this semester. Overall though getting a high gpa is not as important(nor is it hard at Oxford) than being super involved in leadership.
@Goizueta17 But the bigger question is how many people apply from Oxford? I heard the rate at Emory College is about 70% (which is quite a bit)
Most people who come to emory come for two things, business or pre-med. I also don’t know any international kids who aren’t pre-business majors. Yeah acceptance rate at Emory is completely different than at Oxford. At Emory you just need the GPA, but at Oxford they expect you to be more involved. I think it will become even more competitive though for the years to come now that Oxford won’t let you graduate early so all students will be competing against each other for fall admissions.
I guess it means getting into Emory college is probably better than
@Zorbinger : It means nothing. I would argue that coursework in the college is cooler, but having a BBA stamp from a selective private school= a high paying job right out. The b-school also has a cool social network/environment and many experiential opps that look great on a resume I guess, though it is admittedly not as good if you want to balance association with the Greek scene. A self-selected group applies there each year and it fits the amount of seats they have.
Also, I have to partially disagree @Goizueta17 : Perhaps it is “most”, but it isn’t an overwhelming majority. I would argue that an overwhelming majority of students are pre-professional because the amount of people majoring in the social sciences is likely even larger than those in the sciences and many of these people are pre-law. You also have a stronghold of people who straight plan to work after Emory. I would argue that Emory seems to be one of the more “serious” schools among the schools that harbor tons of pre-professionals. There has been a shift. The top majors are now economics, mathematics, and biology. There used to be psychology and stuff like that, but now mathematics has come into play. Needless to say mathematics and economics majors are very diverse in their interests. I also would be careful how you play up the percentage of pre-business people at Emory that makes it sound like a special case in comparison to other elites. “Pre-bus” in my opinion just means “pre-high paying business job in finance or consulting”. Guess what? This has been a trend in elite higher education and may be more pervasive at elites without BBA programs than those who have them (like HYPS, and M). The only difference is that people at Emory, ND, UVa, Penn, etc just do it via the b-school because they can. Others pretty much use engineering, math, CS, and economics (notice how 2 of these are top majors at Emory, meaning that many will get the same jobs as GBS students or pursue more technologically oriented firms. This has also become a trend among non-prehealth science majors who don’t want to go straight to grad. school, many who double major in math, physics, or CS.
Also, Emory is up there in pre-med penetration indeed, but I think places like Harvard, JHU (which is much smaller BTW), WashU, and several others (I think Ivies) have us flat out beaten if you look at the amount applying the first time. With that said, Emory is actually very similar to the few elite schools without huge engineering scenes. The distribution of majors makes it somewhat seem like a less intense, less selective (but still very selective), and less intellectual (one could claim that having 1/3 Greek and a huge chunk of students in a business school which seems to function separately from the college, can take away as well. Seems schools where such students just end up in a rigorous econ. major have better scenes) mirror of Harvard, but with a BBA program honestly. It is kind of starting to show as more students are opting for jobs in finance and consulting no matter their major, and are deciding to pursue more technology oriented jobs in increasing numbers (may this have anything to do with growing scene of innovation on campus? Probably). Still, what Emory needs to work on is clearly the academic engagement/intellectual component. This is usually what drives placement numbers to top doctoral (in any field-among those who do already pursue this, the placement rate is excellent)…and MD_PhD programs upward (it also enhances likelihood that students will win prestigious international and national scholarships and fellowships) and thus helps to improve the reputation of the school. Unless we end up like Stanford and have HUGE droves of people working at Microsoft and Google (unlikely due to the caliber and lack of reputation of our math and CS department in terms of undergraduate instruction…maybe QSS can help) and other Tech firms, the reputation won’t really grow that much in terms of its undergraduate program. The “stepping stone” (this is what leads to “work hard play hard” reputations where the work part means nothing more than a chore/stamp on their resume) mentality has to be curbed even among those who plan to just go to professional school. It just isn’t very healthy and makes for a lackluster (average and stereotypical) social and intellectual climate. Like, what makes Emory different from any state school other than us having students who love throwing things on their resumes and making great grades (granted that there are many students looking for a state school vibe, but with driven students, I feel like that isn’t what Emory should be going for, we don’t even have the sports scene to facilitate it! Nor should we).
When I meant Emory College might be better I meant that maybe more Emory college had a better chance for getting into Goizueta bussiness. What do people who had the intent to go to Goizueta and don’t get in do? Do they transfer or chose to study something else?
Yes, Emory College students do have a better chance if only because the requirements are so lax and many on main have enough AP credits to skip some GER’s and maybe even calculus (but admittedly, our b-school is one of the few top ones that does not have mathematically inclined students for the most part. Ironically, more of those are in econ. The ones in the b-school often double major in CS or math) , or DSci. If this is the case, you can pretty much just be boring academically and spend most of your time getting involved with EC’s because the only somewhat challenging course you’ll have to take before matriculating is Financial Accounting. The others can and often are “gut” gen. ed requirements. It is scary to say this, but I bet that most pre-business people actually work harder in the b-school than they did in the college except those who switched from pre-med track or something. However, a normal person majoring in the college would probably not find the b-school courses too hard because the difficulty of courses they had before varied a lot more (IE, since they never had a period where they were just trying to “get in” and are just taking a couple of b-school classes for fun, they probably have taken classes with higher workloads and more independent projects and certainly more writing…I remember some chemistry major and CS friends who decided to take financial accounting and another course as juniors and thought it was a complete joke. They easily made A’s by just cramming. No surprise since many had been through several truly challenging courses. I think @aluminum_boat did this and did solidly despite having some serious senioritis lol. For what I’ve seen, QTM 100 may have a higher workload than fin. accounting and yet you hear nowhere near the amount of complaints…On the other hand, I think DSci, depending on the teacher, is actually challenging) I’m sure many who do so just go for econ or math degrees. Honestly, having a BBA is not that big of a deal if you are decent at landing internships/other opps, and definitely not a big deal if you are quantitatively inclined (I imagine that once the QSS major is fully developed, regular social science majors who pursue that track will be very competitive for many work places).
A person with solid quantitative strengths can probably land similar or better jobs (and certainly jobs with more upward mobility because they often have a broader skill-set)…it is just that top BBA programs are well-established with certain firms so that they can close to guarantee placement with high paying jobs. But honestly, a person that is well to do in the college has as much. I would honestly just advise a person to plan for if something like that happens. Like actually take the time in Emory College seriously to explore things you may be good at or help you in the future. Like, if you’re decent at math, continue with higher level maths, CS, or economics. Do not just have the “I must take it easy to ensure I get in” because if you don’t and you have already progressed that far with your major of choice, you have good fallback options whereas, if you played around only taking gen. ed and b-school pre-reqs attempting to pad your GPA and resume for 2 years and did not progress through a discipline, you’ll be scrambling to take on an extra heavy load in your unintended major to ensure that you complete it on time. In other words, add some direction to your studies that do not only involve b-school admissions. I feel that only people who refuse to do this end up transferring. I personally do not like the idea that someone is only at Emory to just go to the almighty b-school when Emory has much more to offer. I feel that the first couple of years before the b-school should reflect this. I also advocate for double-majoring in business and something else or engaging in one of the college linked concentrations.