<p>FINALLY. I can show to the obsessed girls at my school the real deal with twilight.</p>
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this, I’m not sure if he’s referring to HP or not but IMO HP and Twilight are both boring and ■■■■■■■■.</p>
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<p>(btw, stephen king sucks too IMO LOL).</p>
<p>You can’t compare Meyer, King, and Rowling. Their writing is targeted at different audiences. Of course most guys won’t enjoy Twilight–it’s a teen girls series. Meyer doesn’t write for adults, she writes for teenagers, so of course her writing isn’t going to be up to King’s calibur. King’s writing is aimed at adults.</p>
<p>I don’t need Stephen King to validate what I already know lol. BTW, his writing isn’t impressive either. Harry Potter is very overrated, IMO.</p>
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Summed up what I wanted to say nicely.
+1 win.</p>
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Good literature ought to remain good, regardless of what stereotypical “target audience” it’s written for.</p>
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I wish I could forget reading it! King has written some stinkers, too. All of these people we are talking about write popular fiction, but some pay more attention to their craft than others. King does pay attention, but Meyer doesn’t, or can’t, or doesn’t have a good editor.</p>
<p>@yawn: </p>
<p>King, Meyer, and Rowling wouldn’t be considered “good literature.” They’re not even close to writers like Hemingway and Kafka.</p>
<p>Rowling > Meyer > King
SRSLY. King knew that Rowling was above his level so he praised her and had to insult Meyer to make himself feel better.
Twat.</p>
<p>^ lol @ this noob.</p>
<p>All three (books, not writers, although…) are garbage. Out of them I’d have to go with King, if I had to pick one.</p>
<p>I guess I feel like Twilight is trashy because it caters to the lowest common denominator. I guess that’s “intellectual elitism” but really, shouldn’t we aspire to be intellectually elite? I guess I don’t understand how trying to bring up the standards society aspires to in their daily lives is a bad thing.</p>
<p>And Stephen King is a much better author than Stephanie Meyer. I can’t really fathom how anyone could think otherwise. Not only are his horror stories better, but his fantasy stories (the Dark Tower series) are also MUCH better.</p>
<p>He’s actually written a book about writing (and it’s pretty good in my opinion), so he’s somewhat qualified to critique.</p>
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<p>Thanks. You get an epic win for being grounded and laid back in this serious business forum. :)</p>
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<p>Agreed 100%. I call people who are against this intellectually insecure.</p>
<p>What I don’t understand is why Twilight has to be a “guilty” pleasure for people. If you enjoy it, it doesn’t have to involve guilt. </p>
<p>Over in the parents forum, there are threads where people mention their enjoyment of Twilight, but always a bit ruefully. Better than us though–funnily, no one here seems to want to admit liking Twilight at all-- and we’re the teen audience the books are supposed to cater to. </p>
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<p>The intellectually insecure people are the people who feel like they have to avoid “unintellectual” books, movies, or pastimes, in order to seem more educated or intelligent to others. This is just as conformist as conforming to the ‘tween’ Twilight crowd… pseudo-intellectualism (as I believe Orson Scott Card names it). And I’m not accusing anyone in particular, because I know a lot of people genuinely despise Twilight, but it seems alive here on this thread. I can recognize it because I used to subscribe to it.</p>
<p>Putting others down doesn’t pull you up. I’d think Stephen King, being so much older and wiser than Stephenie Meyer, would know this, but…</p>
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“Elite” and “elitism” are different. Being elite means you are extremely good at something, while elitism is acting like you’re better. You should never try to be elitist; it’s a horrible personality trait, and leads to job rejections and firings. </p>
<p>^Keshira, you hit it right on the nose. Pseudo-intellectualism is how I would describe many college kids nowadays. They’ve gone through high school winning debates, running campaigns, and keeping up on the news, and suddenly feel like they know everything, because they’re smart compared to most of their peers. It gets old very fast. </p>
<p>Twilight is appealing to some, and repulsive to others. I don’t think Stephanie Meyer meant it as a deep, literary value-stuffed novel. I’d hate to know what most of you think about children’s stories if you’re this critical of a teen-/stay at home wife-targeted novel :/</p>
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Uh…I never said they were. -_-</p>
<p>Good. I’m glad there are people who don’t like Twilight. I refuse to read it only because I’m impartial toward Harry Potter having been part of that generation. </p>
<p>I’m almost sure I’ll never read the back. Ignorance, maybe, but I’m just somewhat determined not to read it.</p>
<p>I think it’s pretty sad when people can’t just enjoy a book. Harry Potter may not be as good a piece of literature as Metamorphosis, but it’s a hell of a lot more entertaining.</p>
<p>Twilight may be trashy (and from what I’ve seen it probably is), but if someone enjoys it that’s their prerogative.</p>
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It’s perfectly OK for you to like, or even love, McDonalds’ food. But that’s different from saying that McDonald’s is a good restaurant.</p>
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<p>I admit that I listen to Britney Spears and other music that music snobs would find trashy. I only find music snobs annoying because they think their crappy underground band that nobody has heard of is a musical masterpiece and everything mainstream “sucks”. Sometimes I eat McDonalds, does that mean that everyone who says that McDonalds is crap is being stuck up? I don’t care if anyone knows about my less than perfect taste. Hell, I watch Gossip Girl and I don’t care who knows it lol.</p>
<p>I would have said anti-intellectual instead, but that comes off too strong and reminds me of the stupid hicks who think that the world is under 6,000 years old and believe that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time rather than what we’re talking about.</p>
<p>Books are sacred to me, they’re my favorite form of art and if I only want to read quality writing, that’s my prerogative. I don’t care if anyone else reads trashy books, I just believe that there is nothing wrong with only accepting the highest standards when it comes to anything.</p>
<p>I’m not a pseudo-intellectual and I doubt most of the people here disagreeing with you are. Most of us don’t care if anyone likes Twilight, but it doesn’t stop us from thinking the writing is bad.</p>
<p>So I’m a psuedo intellectual because I think Stephanie Meyers has a poor writing style and it detracts from her books? I’m not striking out at it because it’s popular, I’m striking out at it because by any quantitative or qualitative measure of writing quality (as in quality of the prose) Twilight is bad.</p>
<p>I understand I’m clearly not the audience Stephanie Meyer was catering to and that others may enjoy the book, I just hate when people call it the best series ever because I generally find these people have no exposure to other literature.</p>
<p>And if you define intellectually insecure as not participating in what are seen as “unintellectual” pastimes, I’m about the most intellectually secure person ever. My favorite movie of all time is Anchorman, and I enjoy every sport ever created.</p>
<p>Really though, I’m just ranting because my sister won’t shutup about Twilight. I don’t particularly care at the moment if I’m being judgmental. As a bitter, hollow shell of a person, that’s my right. </p>
<p>I also feel sometimes elitism gets a bad rap. Elitism these days seems to connote rudeness, but it can just mean that people who actually know what they’re talking about (i.e. experts on writing) feel they are more qualified to judge and sometimes to look down upon others. I think that experts in the field are qualified to be elitist in certain cases.</p>
<p>Children’s book serve the purpose of entertaining children, while Twilight serves the purpose of entertaining lots of teenage girls. The difference is children often aren’t articulate enough to annoy me with their obsession.</p>