Stern-Over or under rated??

<p>mm if i major in economics is that considered liberal arts or not really?
how does the international business co-major work?</p>

<p>mm if i major in economics is that considered liberal arts or not really?
how does the international business co-major work?</p>

<p>You can major in economics within Stern and CAS-they share the same dept.The IB co-major works with another major in Stern. The required course is International Business Management. It is only like 2-3 classes to complete the co-major. Most people take it along with the finance major.</p>

<p>Matt,</p>

<p>Whats better depends on what you want. How much do you want to go to law school? From everything I've heard, and the personal experiences of people I know....liberal arts majors tend to fare better than business majors when in comes to applying to law school..not just at NYU, but in general. Obviously you can still get into a great law school if your major is business related, but I've seen what I've seen. </p>

<p>Discuss this further with prelaw advising at NYU when you get there, I'm sure they can give you a better perspective and also have specific data on how liberal arts and business majors fare when applying to top law schools.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>nyusternboy--Umm yeah, I came to this board to answer someone's legitimate question because I'm jealous of Stern...I so wish I went there...oh wait, I could have easily went to Stern if I wanted to....considering I played a sport at NYU, was a legacy (my dad was in the last graduating class of the Univesity Heights campus....for those who don't know NYU history, that campus was sold in the '70s and NYU consolidated everything in Wash. Sq.), and went to one of the best high schools in this country. I also went to NYU in the days when even gsp people were transferring to Stern. </p>

<p>nyusternkid says: "Stern is the bestest"....First off, I have nothing against Stern, some of my best friends went to that school, and I've said all good things about (even put it just about on par with Wharton...which I truly believe it is). You however try to make it look like Stern is Harvard, and the rest of NYU schools are community college..which is patently false. The SAT/GPA difference between CAS and Stern is small if any at all..give me something from NYU that shows the difference is something significant and I might take you even half seriously. Also keep in mind, Stern is only half the size of CAS.</p>

<p>nyusternwhiner said: "Most classes, the test average is in the 60 or 70s because exams are so difficult. In addiition, there is a rough curve, unlike in liberal arts where anyone can get an A easily."---Sorry buddy boy, you can't complain about a curve when the average grade is a 70, because then the curve is a good thing...the function of a curve is to normalize distribution (perhaps you should review your notes from watered down bidness stats). Furthermore, don't confuse a hard test with hard subject matter...you can make a hard test out of anything with tricky questions....but the subject matter of finance is not hard. If really think finance is hard as multivariable calc. (a class I've took), physics, or organic chemistry, then I've got some enron stock to sell you.</p>

<p>nyusternbarrister says: "You'll be competing against liberal arts students who never really had to work hard in college and become shocked at the law school workload and start getting Cs"----Umm no top law school gives out Cs to large numbers of students. I know many people at top law schools. NYU Law has a very generous curve (average grade is like a B+) Yale Law is pass/fail, even other decent law schools like Fordham and Northwestern have generous curves (just like Florida St. coeds). If people are getting Cs in large numbers at your law school, you probably go somewhere thats third tier (eg. Brooklyn or NY Law)....I can tell by your disorganized unpersuasive writing and name calling that you are not at a top 50 law school. </p>

<p>nyusternheadofnorthamericanrecruitingatgoldmansachs said: "Lastly, in terms of recruting, NO Ibank or consulting firm will choose a Cas student over a Stern student with a decent gpa (2.8+)." Yeah right, so then why did I work in investment banking for 4 years (recently moved to a hedge fund) and you're in law school? Wall St. firms recruit from a variety of majors at NYU, not just Stern, and finance is a popular career choice amongst liberal arts students there. Look, will they prefer an average finance major to an average english major who doesn't know what the CAPM is....of course...but that was never my point, which is that liberal arts majors who have a great business sense do get recruited by these places and some firms do prefer these people. You're either exaggerating or lying if you are trying to imply an investment deriviatives trading dest is going to take a 3.0 finance major from Stern over a 3.7 double math/history major in CAS (someone I know actually had this and traded for UBS)...that frankly isn't going to happen. </p>

<p>nyusternSelljob said: "For a rigorous education and great professors and classes and experiences (junior yr you get a free trip to asia, latin america, or europe) I feel Stern is virtually unmatched."...Sheesh, what is this...out of a brochure?..give some real info, back it up with hard evidence (something more than, as you'd law students would call it...hearsay)...and I'll consider you something more than just a joke.</p>

<p>KJ: Why are you still posting here..weren't you rejected?...calm down, I'm just joking with you.</p>

<p>Tradesports is an online futures trading site, where you can bet on everything from sports to political events (e.g Bin Laden capture date). No I don't work there, as the site is run from Dublin and I live in Manhattan. My reference to site was in response to a question Einstein. </p>

<p>Good luck with the other apps.</p>

<p>Hey Jwblue,</p>

<p>Since I'm in GSP, how would it look when I apply for jobs, internships, business and law schools after I graduate. Will having GSP impact any one while hiring me or accepting me into law school. Also, being a history major, why did u take multivariable calc? how much math/calc does have to take if he/she is planning on being an economics major?</p>

<p>Fax,</p>

<p>I don't think being in GSP will affect you after NYU graduation because you'll graduate from whatver NYU school you transfer into. Law schools will of course see your transcript, but if you have great grades, GSP will not hurt you at all in my opinion.</p>

<p>I was a phil. major, not history. I took multivariable calc. because I placed out of Calc I and II due to courses I took in high school. I was going to minor in math, I had it declared, I needed one more class, but I was lazy. If math is something you're thinking of, its a great dept. at NYU (Courant Institute)...its one of best places for math there is. </p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>Matt (and all the others who asked about about stuff relating to this):</p>

<p>Here is the link for the NYU pre law office.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nyu.edu/cas/prelaw/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nyu.edu/cas/prelaw/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>What exactly is the difference between Stern econ and CAS econ? </p>

<p>And apart from the different things learnt, what is the difference between Stern econ and Stern finance? They seem very very similar to me. Where do these people go after their years at stern?</p>

<p>I want to major in economics too. I was going to put down Stern, but now I'm thinking about putting down CAS instead.</p>

<p>BUMP
can anyone answer my question about STERN econ and CAS econ, STERN econ and STERN finance?</p>

<p>stern and CAS economics are exactly the same (requisite classes atleast, electives and prerequiestites are probably different) and the economics classes are mixed with Stern and CAS kids and you have the same core curriculum. But the Stern diploma carries more weight. Stern finiance is the 2nd best finaince in the country, and basically preps you to work on wall street. Finaince is for investing and such, whereas economics is more of a social studies thing in which you aim tounderstand the flow of money. to become an economist you usually have to get a masters and Ph.D. You can of course work on wall street and such with a diploma in economics if you grades are good enough. </p>

<p>btw im back :)</p>

<p>thanks mattistotle!</p>

<p>Not too many econ. majors at NYU (or probably anywhere for that matter) become economists...the vast majority end up working in the private sector, mostly the corporate world. Econ. is more theory, has harder math (like econometrics), whereas finance is much more practical based where you'd learn things like valuing companies, portfolio theory, etc. If you're a CAS/Stern econ. major who wants to work on Wall St., you could easily do so, it wouldn't hurt to take a basic finance or capital markets class (usually offerred in both econ and finance departments) though just to get a grasp of some of the concepts. </p>

<p>-NYU class of '00</p>

<p>so jwblue do u suggest a double major finance/economics?</p>

<p>I suggest it if thats what you want to do. If your goal is simply to work on wall st., you don't need a particular major...on the other hand, if you want to be a finance or econ. prof, you better have those majors. A double of econ/finance is a pretty solid combo though and would certainly give you a lot of options.</p>

<p>I'm currently a freshman in Stern, so I guess I haven't seen the full Stern experience. However, I can see both perspectives in this debate. I myself am happy at Stern and think highly of the education I'm getting --- a business-geared curriculum with room to work in the liberal arts.</p>

<p>I didn't apply to Wharton. Basically, I was still wrestling between business & political science, and Wharton felt as though it was very strictly business...which it might not be, as I didn't really research the school thoroughly --- I just wasn't very interested in Penn as a school.</p>

<p>The thing that makes Stern stand out is not an actual aspect of the school, but rather an inherent characteristic of the environment: New York City. The Stern undergrad program, I think, is best-suited for people who really love the city and its opportunities and are thinking of working here after college. I get the impression that an undergraduate degree from Stern is highly respected in firms in New York, especially Wall Street and companies like Citigroup and Foot Locker that have relationships with the school itself. It's a matter of name recognition, I guess, and everywhere else people automatically think of Wharton. You can get a job right out of Stern, too, but if you're planning on working in Nowheresville, Kansas, Stern might not make the best impression on a potential employer.</p>

<p>As for the curriculum itself, I'm still in core courses so I can barely comment on that.</p>

<p>In terms of the sense of community, I think it's there if you want it. There is of course the mentality that Sternies consider themselves the elite of NYU (as much as the same stereotype exists for Tisch students), but it's not hard to branch out. This year, more so than other years (so I've heard), Stern students are typically being placed with other Sternies; in some cases (like mine, and a couple other people I know), some rooms even turn out to be all Stern Scholars. I'm pretty sure this is an attempt to establish a closer-knit Stern community. You can embrace it or ignore it. There's plenty of opportunities to meet other NYU students, and there's toooons of Stern-only events. This year they established groups of "cohorts" that do activities together, but thus far the cohort activities have shown pretty poor attendance because they seem like a basic waste of time. However, I've made some pretty good friends in my group and in my mostly-Stern classes.</p>

<p>Advising...I think there are two advisors per class. The class of 2008 has two, Brian Dunn and Danielle Mitchell, for about 540 students. I've heard some bad things about the latter advisor. I have Brian Dunn, and he was a great help. It's easy to schedule appointments, especially since you can do it over the phone or just drop in the office (in the Stern building, where you probably will be a lot of the time anyway). Overall, I've never heard any complaints from any of my friends about advising at Stern.</p>

<p>Okay, I've definitely gone on long enough. I can't really say if the school is underrated or overrated, but it's a good school nonetheless. I like it...</p>

<p>Sorry, I didn't see your question before. I'm not entirely sure but I'll tell you what I know/think.</p>

<p>Stern Economics (and CAS, too) is divided into two concentrations: Policy and Theory. Economic policy deals with just that...different economic policies used in government, monetarism, monopolies, etc. etc. Economic theory deals with economics from a more mathematical perspective and involves game theory, etc.</p>

<p>Stern Finance has more to do with money management, banking, investments, etc. Handling finances, essentially. Most students that major in Accounting double-major with Finance, but I don't know if it's the same the other way around.</p>

<p>Since Accounting often goes hand-in-hand with Finance, I assume a lot of students pursue the accounting route with that degree. Students looking to become stockbrokers and investment bankers also usually major in Finance.</p>

<p>As for economics, who knows. Alan Greenspan majored in Economics at NYU (Stern or CAS, I don't know)...but I doubt majoring in economics is the surefire way to become Chairman of the Federal Reserve. But hey, it could happen.</p>

<p>caromage , I got into stern, but ive heard that sterns are rather uptight and condescending... Im a rather laid back guy and dont share this attitude at all, and have made alot of friends from the other schools already. Are sternies really that snobby? if not i hope they realy dont put me with stern only kids lol.</p>