<p>Which would you choose between NYU Stern, UMich, and UC Berkeley for business undergrad?</p>
<p>I have to decide between these 3, and i know they're all great schools (which makes it all the more difficult) they're all just about ranked next to each other in the various business school rankings</p>
<p>i live in new jersey, but desperately want to go away for school (so nyu feels a little bit too close to home)</p>
<p>nyu stern
pros - technically best undergrad for finance, ideal location for internships, well known/respected on the east coast, already in their honors program - no need to reapply into the business school!
cons - hate the lack of campus, so close to home</p>
<p>umich
pros - sense of community, sports/school spirit, partyingg
cons - reapplying (taking that risk that you might not get in), large student body (well i guess all 3 of the schools have this con), cold weather</p>
<p>berkeley
pros - nicee weather, prestigious (altho i'm not sure if i have it hyped up, i had always figured it was up there with the ivys.. until i came to CC and became skeptical of everythingg)
cons - really far away (traveling across the country for college?), reapplying to business program, treated as a number?</p>
<p>What do you guys think of the 3 different schools? If it were you in this position, which school would you choose? </p>
<p>please, any help or advice would be very much appreciated! :)</p>
<p>1Stern-because future potential, best in finance, NYU on rise, great career prospects</p>
<p>2 Mich-great school, in my opinion just a weaker curriculum and quality of student body than Stern</p>
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<li>Cal- the least appealing of the 3. School is in decline and student body isn't very consistent, and nowhere near as good for NYC as Stern or even Mich</li>
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<p>Cal is going to have some major budget problems.</p>
<p>what makes you say that smartboybynd? is it just how the school has been running in recent years.. or did something happen?</p>
<p>Living in California, I have seen highschools having to cut alot of programs, and it is getting even worse. I think they are going to start cutting alot of sports and classes at our schools, as they have already started this. Keep in mind that our school is in a very rich area, and it is worse at the poorer areas of the state.</p>
<p>The local community colleges and state colleges are having issues with classes, and some people are finding it hard to get all the classes they need. Apparently the UCs are starting to feel the squeeze too, and I heard that they accepted more freshman than they did last year, and this will lead to some more eventual problems. The economy in California is still pretty dead, as job emplyment is not really increasing. </p>
<p>Basically, it sucks to live in California right now.</p>
<p>But don't let that defer you from Cal. It is a great school, though the surrounding area is not very amazing. I'd still say to keep to Stern or something, unless you like to pay those great out-of-state fees and really like the California sun.</p>
<p>I also am between going to Stern and UMich. I know they are about the same level as prestige and undergraduate curriculum. I am in the Stern Scholars program and I am also in UMich honors program. I know also that UMich allows you to apply to Ross undergraduate after freshman year now. Anyway, with regards to overall experience, including education, post college, student life and general views, what would you say is the better choice?</p>
<p>stern all the way...the uc system is not that well known for their undergrad business programs, even though Haas is very well known for its MBA program their undergrad is not all that great...you are going to have a tough time getting the classes you need to graudate in 4 years...</p>
<p>Stern, because you're in the business major already. All 3 are closely ranked excellent undergrad business programs, so it doesn't really matter which you pick, so might as well not risk reapplying.</p>
<p>And if you do choose Stern, please ask them why they rejected me. ;)</p>
<p>stern as well, if only to make wall street connections</p>
<p>I would recommend Michigan over NYU. </p>
<p>Contrary to what you may think or to what others may say, Michigan and NYU are equal in the following ways:
1) Business school rankings. Ross and Stern are pretty even. In fact, Michigan is ranked higher according to the USNWR (undergraduate and graduate rankings) and according to BusinessWeek.
2) Internship and full-time job opportunities in NYC. Both have great connections to jobs in Wall Street. 35% of Ross undergrads end up in Wall Street, most of them at companies like JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, UBS, CS First Boston, Merrill Lynch etc... Keep in mind that Ross, unlike Stern or Wharton, is not a Finance heavy program. Just as many Ross students major in Marketing and Management. Those students do not look for jobs on Wall Street.
3) Talent of the student body. Michigan and NYU, Ross and Stern have equally gifted students.
4) The weather. Michigan is not significantly colder than NYC.
5) Size. NYU has 20,000 undergraduate students and over 20,000 graduate students. Michigan has 24,000 undergraduate students and 14,000 graduate students. I would say they are equal large. In fact, since Michigan's campus is far more spread outl, I would venture to guess that Michigan feels smaller.
6) Quality of Finance department. I agree that NYU has the edge here, but not by much. Michigan has a top 10 Finance department in the nation (top 3 or 4 at the undergraduate level). </p>
<p>Michigan has the edge over NYU in the following:
1) Better overall unversity. Michigan has top ranked programs accross all the professions and academic disciplines.
2) More school spirit, thanks in part to the design of the campus, in part to Big 10 sports and in part to Ann Arbor.
3) More collegiate atmosphere.
4) More defined campus.
5) Better job and internship opportunities outside of the Northeast.
6) Graduate school placement.
7) Resources. Michigan has an endowment of $5 Billion compared to NYU's $2 Billion. Michigan also has more research opportunities, a better library system etc...</p>
<p>NYU has the edge over Michigan in the following:
1) If you love NYC, you cannot beat NYU
2) You are guaranteed Stern, Ross is a 50/50 chance.</p>
<p>Does anyone feel the same about the two schools as Alexandre? </p>
<p>Also, if anyone faced the same situation, why did they choose either Stern or Umich over the other? </p>
<p>Finally, I am getting a sense that all these schools in the top 10 are starting to catch up to Wharton in terms of quality, is this true? Has Stern or Umich significantly improved in the last 5 years?</p>
<p>I think he's right in that these schools (stern,mich, and maybe even wharton ug) are interchangeable. Just go to where to you think is the best fit. Arguing usnews rankings, etc is stupid, and nyc and AA are totally different. Do you want to be in nyc or a college town? a more collegial or a more professional environment?</p>
<p>Haas, Ross, Sloan and Stern are seriously improving...but for them to catch up to Wharton, it would imply that Wharton is standing still...and they aren't. I still think Wharton is the ultimate B school. But the schools mentioned above are all worth going to over Wharton...provided it means better fit and greater personal satisfaction.</p>
<p>so about the risk of not getting into ross once one is attending um ...what are some ways to improve one's chances? are there certain classes that are not required for application to bba but would significantly help a student stand out? thanks</p>
<p>I personally did not even attend to Business school at Michigan. I was an Economics major and I found jobs with relative ease...and I was a Foreign student. It is much easier for Americans. If you have a good GPA (3.5+) at Michigan, regardless of major, and take the initiative, you will have several options open to you. Michigan is one of the top 10 or 15 hunting grounds for almost every imaginable company, be it the IBs (JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, CS First Boston, UBS), the MCs (McKinsey, BCG, Bain, Booz Allen), the zippy High Techs (Medtronic, Amgen, Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, Intel), the Pharmas (Merck, Pfizer, J&J, Eli Lilly, Novartis) or the Manufacturing giants (GE, GM, Ford, Procter and Gamble)</p>
<p>Not to be rude, but pre-9/11/outsourcing/downsizing, any college grad with an able body and half a brain could get a job.</p>
<p>the job enivornment you experienced is a lot different than the one 09' grads will experience.</p>
<p>So, which did you pick, undecided?</p>
<p>I was in the same situation, with Stern vs. Mich. I had a lot of "peer pressure" because EVERYONE said Stern except for 2 people. I ended up picking Mich, and I have no regrets. I think it's a better school overall, and when I visited, I felt like I would be able to live in Ann Arbor. I live relatively close to NYC, so when I get the chance, I'll look for internships in the summer. Stern is mainly better for people who live far away from NYC and want the internship there. Going to college there for them might be the only way to find a job there. But you, like me in NJ, live close to the city, so it's not really all that necessary. Now I'm just hoping to get into Ross. Well good luck, undecided.</p>
<p>hey redhare! haha wow almost the same situation</p>
<p>i ended up choosing berkeley too, which (from this board) wasn't the one people were recommending. but thanx everyone for all your advice/recommendations! in school though, more people were telling me to go to cal, because it'd be an all around great college experience and i'd never have the opportunity to live in a totally new city again (in the near future anyhow)</p>
<p>like you, i also grew up with nyc right there so it wasn't going to be anything different. i wanted to get farr away and on a real campus.
after i visited cal and checked out san francisco, i had no regrets picking it over nyu stern. but samee here though, now i just hope i can get into Haas!</p>