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<p>You do have a habit of twisting facts or making things up. I hope you do not do the same on your college applications! I never said Brown undergrad isn’t great. My position has always been that Brown and Northwestern (and U of Chicago/WashU) are on par at the undergrad level. They are all great.</p>
<p>I agree with CayugaRed2005 for the most part as the Ivies tend to be more generous with financial aid grants or tuition free across-the-board mandates, as is Stanford, which directly affects yield which determines acceptance rates. If, for example, Northwestern follows the lead of Harvard, Princeton, Stanford & Amherst–among others–you will probably see NU’s applications soar and admit rate plummet.</p>
<p>Sam Lee I said you are delusional, because you try and judge me and categorize me when you have no clue about anything related to me. If you think Brown and Northwestern (chicago/wash U) are peers than do you believe that Cornell and Dartmouth are there as well. It would be very challenging to make a case saying that Brown is a worse school objectively than Cornell…thats just the reality. He says as he prepares for Cayuga to rip his throat out</p>
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Coulda, woulda, shoulda. You know your argument is weak when you result to hypotheticals. They are what they and they do what they do, it is stupid to deal in anything but the current reality.</p>
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<p>lol@ your circular reasoning. Example: I think people with big eyes are beautiful because big eyes make people beautiful. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>A tested & proven hypothetical. Another often used method to attract applications to lower admit rates is offering standardized test optional admissions applications. This is a primary consideration for schools when moving to test optional along with correcting socio-economic testing bias, of course.</p>
<p>Coldwin I am not convinced that NU doesn’t offer very good FA first of all (my friend got a better deal there than Duke) and why do they not improve it? Whatever the reason it is irrelevant. You judge a school on its reality not its potential. </p>
<p>Yea Sam Lee saying that a lower acceptance rate allows a school to get a stronger student body is circular reasoning. Very astute of you</p>
<p>“I agree with CayugaRed2005 for the most part as the Ivies tend to be more generous with financial aid grants or tuition free across-the-board mandates, as is Stanford, which directly affects yield which determines acceptance rates. If, for example, Northwestern follows the lead of Harvard, Princeton, Stanford & Amherst–among others–you will probably see NU’s applications soar and admit rate plummet.”</p>
<p>A school can not suddenly decide to improve its financial aid like that. It takes a lot of money to do so. If schools like Northwestern could do what HPYS are doing with financial aid, they would have done so to become more competetive.</p>
<p>hallowarts: It is understandable that you may not have read the entire thread prior to posting, but Northwestern’s endowment–now at $7.25 Billion–places it in the top 10 of the 850 or so colleges & universities measured. Princeton just did it. Harvard just did it. Stanford just did it. And several others. Those with the largest endowments are the first to act largely, in this case, to keep the federal government from issuing & enforcing mandates on all college & university to endowments to spend at least 5% of the fund each year to retain tax exempt status.(As other trusts are required to do.)
But you are correct that HYP&S went first as they were the first to come under scrutiny by Congress. Northwestern’s endowment exceeds that of about half the Ivies. Certainly well beyond Dartmouth, Brown & Cornell & I believe Northwestern has surpassed Penn. Additionally, NU has a $900 million dollar fund plus earnings to be assigned–some of which may have been placed in the endowment. Yes, Northwestern can do it just like that if they so choose. So can any top 15 endowment school. Of course, it takes about a year to implement the changes.
Bescraze: I did not write that NU did not offer good fin’l aid. Please read more carefully. And I did not compare it to Duke. Harvard, Princeton & Stanford are the schools compared because they offer better and mandated financial aid to students from families making below a certain threshold income.</p>
<p>To get this “fun” ivy league stereotype post revved back up ( and avoid dreary discussions of stats) here are a few ideas of stereotype catagories people can use to join in.</p>
<p>For instance: Ivy league colleges as cars
Ivy league colleges as foods
Ivy league colleges as famous actors
Ivy league colleges as novels.</p>
<p>I will start with one- ivy league colleges as cars.</p>
<p>Brown- restored 68 vw bus ( cool, hippie, trendy, not powerfull or fast)
Harvard- Bentley ( pretentious, out of reach, marginally usefull in the real world)
Columbia- Beat up 75 MG ( small, hip, funky, can’t haul your freinds, stuck in garage alot)
Yale- 1930’s Cord ( old, authentic, semi-usefull, thrills the theatre crowd)
Princeton- Porsche 911 ( sporty , pretentious, driver stereotyped, exclusive)
Penn- Cadillac Escalade ( loud, good for cruising the hood and making deals)
Dartmouth- ( old land rover, complete with dog and bottle of scotch- nuff said)
Cornell- Mercedes Benz Unimog ( hauls stuff, sturdy, big, can clear snow and pull farm implements.)</p>
<p>^ That’s pretty good.</p>
<p>Yeah, good stuff.</p>
<p>Nice shermanbus83 :)</p>