<p>The Yale admit rate will be over 9% when all is said and done, if, as rumored they took 75 or so from the waitlist. You should also look to see if they reduce that applicant pool number by those whose applications were withdrawn or incomplete. In recent years, the "withdrawns" and "incompletes" have been retained as part of the claimed applicant total to hold down the apparent admit rate.</p>
<p>you're calibration is awesome!</p>
<p>Realistic acceptance rate will probably be around 15-16% for the next class.</p>
<p>Stetson certainly seems to be a little optimistic, although his comments attract the kind of attention Penn needs in order to compete with HSYP. </p>
<p>Maybe he's angling for the Harvard job in a few years.</p>
<p>I don't think Stetson's projections are that far fetched. If it was 17.7% this year, adding the common app will make it easier for many more to apply. Penn controls their yield by accepting a large % ED and evaluating interest level among RDs, so not that many acceptances are turned down for other schools.</p>
<p>Stetson can't do for Harvard what he did for Penn because Harvard is already exclusive. If anything, Stetson would be angling for a high-paying rockstar job at a lower university that is flush with cash and looking to buy their way into a repeat of the late-20th C. Penn miracle orchestrated in no small part by Stetson.</p>
<p>Perhaps Emory?</p>
<p>I'd say Chicago and Johns Hopkins are the elites which could gain the greatest benefit from a liberal application of "enrollment management" strategizing.</p>
<p>I think Penn will still accept half its class ED which means that RD people will still be competing for only half of Penn's total open spaces. </p>
<p>22,000 more applicants competing for half the spaces could translate to 12% given Penn is smart on who they admit aka those people who have Penn as their first/second choice and are quality applicants.</p>
<p>However, moving to the common app means that a lot of people are just checking Penn and aren't really doing any research into the school. Sure, they have to do the common app and pay some money, but yield could be affected by ease of use.</p>
<p>The yield rate declined this year at Cornell, after they went to the common app and applications exploded to over 28,000. Of course that won't hurt them with USNews, which quirkily considers the admit rate but not the yield rate these days when calculating "selectivity".</p>
<p>If penn is looking for broader applications,
does this mean international students get benefits?</p>
<p>I don't think Stetson is planning--nor would--go anywhere else. Dean of Admissions at an Ivy League university is as prestigious as it gets when it comes to college admissions. And with Penn's increased prestige in the last 10 years (due, in no small part, to Stetson's admissions strategizing), he's "sitting pretty" in his office. He'll probably continue on at Penn until he retires. </p>
<p>And neither Marlyn McGrath Lewis nor William Fitzsimmons would ever relinquish their thrones at Harvard. Both are Harvard grads and on the FAS. I know McGrath Lewis's daughters graduated (or are currently) in Harvard, her husband is Harry Lewis (former Dean of Harvard College). Their ties to Harvard are incredibly strong. McGrath Lewis and Fitzsimmons are there to stay.</p>
<p>Also, let's not forget Amy's tours to China, which has one of the largest populations in the world...</p>
<p>Harvard is focussing on India at the moment, although we know that Harvard is big in China.</p>
<p>Byerly, I don't think U.S. News should consider yield in its "selectivity" "calculations" because of ED.</p>
<p>I do, however, contend that RD yield should be a heavily weighted factor.</p>
<p>I agree of course, and have conveyed my sentiments to Morse on several occasions. His response is that the stat would be too hard to calculate for the entire universe of schools on which USNews must gather data.</p>
<p>A little-appreciated aspect of the USNews rankings is that the magazine has no government mandate or "educational police" to require the submission of information, or its submission in any particular format.</p>
<p>That said, USNews is largely responsible for development of the "Common Data Set." Many people have forgotten what it used to be like before the CDS. Most colleges had a major stake in denying access to what they used to consider "confidential" information, and tried to make it as difficult as possible to compare schools on an objective basis.</p>
<p>Guys,</p>
<p>Stetson NEVER said 12%. That was a calculation made by the writer of the story who forgot to add in yield.</p>
<p>For years the Daily Pennsylvanian admissions stories have been filled with errors, factual and mathematical.</p>
<p>Penn's yield can't go much higher than it currently is.</p>
<p>It could if they stopped being shy about crossing the magic 50% barrier with binding ED.</p>
<p>if they crossed that line then many people would not go through the hassle of applying RD to Penn...it would just be impossible.</p>