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<p>STONY BROOK, N.Y., September 28, 2012 – Stony Brook University hosted a groundbreaking dedication event for its new 70,000-square-foot Computer Science building on Friday, Sept. 28, continuing the expansion of the school’s nationally ranked Department of Computer Science and adding to its reputation as a rising star in the cutting edge research, education and industrial interaction essential to the innovation economy.</p>
<p>Columbia, Princeton, Cornell, these schools should be feeling very nervous about their CS departments reputation in the tri-state area, with respect to affordability, and quality bang-for-the-buck. Stony Brook’s tuition is only 3K(instate) and their department is incredibly, and I mean incredibly strong. Cognizant, Apple, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Northropp Grumman and many, many companies recruit on campus for CS students. To an extent where there is regularly an info session where they are requesting students to apply!</p>
<p>Stony Brook will now have nearly 5 buildings devoted to Computer Science. CEWIT, present CS building, and now this new gigantic building, Institute for Advanced Computational Science, a new high performance computing center for supercomputing, and last but not least Brookhaven National Laboratory!</p>
<p>[Stony</a> Brook University - Department of Computer Science](<a href=“http://www.cs.sunysb.edu%5DStony”>http://www.cs.sunysb.edu)</p>
<p>Good for your school. But I doubt the aforementioned schools will be feeling that nervous.</p>
<p>Hey Chuck;</p>
<p>I’m sure they will be sweating. Let’s think about it carefully, CSE at SBU will have more faculty members, from the same prestigious schools, more space, more research, same companies recruitting, outstanding alumni-base(President of Stanford is a CS Ph.D from here, along with a ton of others) already known as a regional heavyweight, who has proven they can kick their butt when there is a competition(think how they won the ACM competition multiple times in the region).</p>
<p>Remember Chuck, Princeton, Cornell, Columbia dont’ have access to Brookhaven National lab($500 million dollar research budget), Cold Spring Harbors(not sure about their budget). </p>
<p>I mean, our department already dwarfs Columbia and Princeton in terms of size. The department just hired 5 faculty members, and from what I’ve been hearing the goal is to continue expanding. The department is from the 60’s just like most schools.</p>
<p>Do me a favor, scroll down this list and think about only 3 thousand per semester, and 700 undergraduates already in the department, that means lots of talented folks are here since being in the major requires you to excel in 2 of the core classes(B average, if not say bye to CSE).</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/people/faculty.html[/url]”>Faculty | Department of Computer Science;
<p>I look forward to your opinion. I just feel like someone might be sniffing crack for paying Princeton, Columbia or Cornell 50K per year when Stony is a FRACTION, with the same prestigous companies hanging out here regularly.</p>
<p>$50k is just a sticker price; taking into account financial aid, most students will be paying way, way less.</p>
<p>Also Princeton, Columbia, and Cornell draw more from a national pool of applicants, so I doubt they care that much about local competitiveness.</p>
<p>I’m not saying it isn’t a good school. But sumzup hits on exactly why they will not ever have to worry about it. </p>
<p>They are national brand names. Reasons to brag. People who get into those schools can tell anyone, anywhere that they got in and people will be impressed. The only reason I know about stonybrook is that I used to work with a physical therapist that went there. The same can be said about my school (NC State) Its a top 10 school for my field, but a lot of people nationally have never heard of it. I also graduated from UNC Chapel hill, a top 20’s undergaduate school nationally…still everyone has heard of Princeton, Columbia, etc…not everyone has heard of UNC, and therefore they have a larger applicant pool, just the way it goes…</p>
<p>Chucktown, I agree that most people follow name-brand schools. No denial in that. The point I was trying to make is that you can receive an equivalent(if not better)education here for a fraction of the price. You can easily hook up with an MIT grad and do some ground-breaking research at the handful of research centers. I doubt a Princeton, or any of those mentioned schools have as many research opportunities as SBU for undergrads. I doubt, and challenge them. I know countless undergrads that are involved in Brookhaven, CEWIT, and many other research centers of the CS department. I mean, Princeton, Columbia or Cornell simply does not have the resources that SBU has for certain majors.</p>
<p>I agree that overall, SBU isn’t even on the same tier as those schools.</p>
<p>Sorry, I wasn’t aware that this was a “Promote your own university” sub-forum. If you want to point it out as a good CS school for high school students adding onto their list (particularly if they’re from NY) then go ahead, but I don’t really see how this applies to the majority of people here.</p>
<p>I’m not trying to degrade this article or anything. I understand trying to overcome the essentially static USNews rankings, but how you’re putting it here seems pretty arrogant. The only thing I think you might be accomplishing is making people irritable towards your university. Trying to undermine the reputation of such prestigious institutions probably won’t go too well. The article portrays the point professionally enough, why did you feel the need to add onto it? By calling out specific universities, you’re just making the argument more shallow.</p>
<p>The reason why I called out some schools(despite eloquently stating that they are in a completely different tier as SBU)is to show that a local state school, with a fraction of their endowment can also be a great choice. I strongly feel that those schools need to drop their tuition to remain competitive, and I used my ACM butt-whooping as an example that school prestige won’t back you up once you are in the hot-seat. School is what you make out of it.</p>
<p>My intention wasn’t to ‘promote’ I just thought many CC’ers would be glad know to a local state school that’s suffering from budget cuts is able to still strive and offer a high quality education to middle and lower class families.</p>
<p>A lot of the CS majors I know at Columbia aren’t trying to get jobs at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or Apple. They are going into finance.</p>
<p>I don’t really see how one could interpret from your posts that you all at all believe SBU is inferior to the Ivy CS departments. Even though you say your claims are only in relation to “bang-for-buck” it’s quite clear that you’re attempting to create a platform for competition at a general level. </p>
<p>Moving on to the actual argument of cost, I think you’re distorting the difference. Unless you’re a resident of NY, it costs 32K/year for a student to attend Stony Brook. The aforementioned Ivies have a sticker of $60K/year, but everyone knows they offer the best financial aid of any US university. In reality, it’s often the most affordable option to attend an Ivy. This means that your advice applies primarily to international students, who receive no aid of any type. In many such cases, applicants are concerned only with prestige, and an extra $30K seems worth it for the brand name. Is it really worth it? Probably not, but that’s another discussion.</p>
<p>In terms of how people interpret these posts, it’s quite clear that it’s only a tiny fraction of their overall impression. I addressed your attempts to influence these perceptions, however, because I’m not sure why else you’d be posting this article. You may say that you’re trying to address only the strengths of SBU CS in relation to its less prestigious name overall, but you really can’t do that without saying something about “more expensive” universities. Maybe I didn’t emphasize it enough, but I meant to say that whatever point you’re trying to make is no more prominent than what this discussion has become about, the strength of SBU CS in direct relation to other CS departments.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I value public education and the reality of COA vs. prestige as much as anyone else. A public university might not be your dream school, but if it gets you to the same place for cheaper, it’s hard to justify attending a private. I make exception at the point of Ivies, because most who attend receive large financial aid, or are not in a position where they need not worry about cost.</p>
<p>@TaciturnType: A guy from Uconn-storrs posting for at the Stony Brook forum. I’m curious at how you ended up here in the first place?</p>
<p>I think people misunderstood QCStudent’s opinion. I got what he was trying to say. he said Ivy League schools should be nervous because Stony Brook is offering a great education at a more competitive price (in Computer Science). I don’t think he said the program is necessarily better. But is definitely more bang-for-your buck. WWhether this is true or not is up to opinion. but i dont think he is coming off as arrogant, he may well simply be pointing out the value/cost of degrees from ivys and SBU (or maybe i’m just biased since a compsci grad from SBU)</p>
<p>TaciturnType, It does not cost 32k to attend Stony Brook from out-of-state. Thats sounds more like what my girlfriend pays to attend UConn-Storrs as an out-of-state (actually its about 38k). There is not a single SUNY that is that expensive for out-of-state residents. SUNY is relatively cheap and for some out-of-state students the price is competitive with their in-state tuition at their state school. Currently the total cost of attendance for a dorming student is $29,114 much lower than the national average for out-of-state students at public universities but tuition+fees is only $18000 if you choose to live of-campus (but rising 8% yearly for the next five years).</p>
<p>This thread was moved here from the engineering subforum and you did not see it before the mods edited QCstudent’s posts. They were pretty arrogant.</p>
<p>^None of my posts were deleted. There is no need to formulate a lie to justify nonsense.</p>
<p>I consistently tried explaining that I am not trying to bash an Ivy-league, all I am saying is that Stony Brook is increasingly offering a better bang for your buck. Our department is larger than most Ivies, we’ve already showed Ivies that our students are just as bright as yours(we’ve defeated them several times in the ACM competition) and most importantly our tuition is relatively cheaper. You don’t need to misconstrue what I am saying just to make a point, or to deviate from the topic on hand.</p>
<p>Let’s try it again: The point I tried to make was rather elementary, schools like Columbia, Cornell, Cooper Union, PolyTechnic University at Brooklyn should begin sweating since SBU has a larger department, amazing faculty(look at the faculty list, and compare it to ivies), for a fraction of the price, with the same Microsoft, Google, and other companies coming here to recruit! Is it against the law to bring attention to a department that has nearly 70 Professor from prestigious schools, and a department larger and more productive than most CS departments combined? I mean, our CS department is soon going to be larger than most entire colleges, with nearly 1000 students already in the major(the largest public CS department from an Engineering school in the USA).</p>
<p>Moderators can vouch that I never got disrespectful, nor did my posts get deleted. This thread got moved here because I posted it in the wrong section.</p>
<p>That’s all.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>I did not say they were deleted. I said they were edited and they were. </p>
<p>As for the rest I have nothing to say because I was not arguing with you in the first place.</p>
<p>“A lot of the CS majors I know at Columbia aren’t trying to get jobs at Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or Apple. They are going into finance.”</p>
<p>What are you trying to say? Is it good to be in CS or is it not good enough that CS majors are going for jobs in finance?</p>
