<p>Why is it that when some people post their "chances" threads someone always has to come in with the "well if your black/hispanic/any minority....you'll get in". I would really appreciate it if it some people would stop using the race card like having a 1/659 ranking. It doesn't make people feel good when you do it. Please stop.</p>
<p>people do it only because it honestly can help chances. take it up with the admissions boards, not with us.</p>
<p>I don't think such remarks are intended to make anyone feel good ;)</p>
<p>Sadly, race still is an issue. A black person who is ranked <em>gasp</em> number two out of 1000 will probably get into Harvard, whereas a white person with a <em>gasp</em> number two out of 1000 ranking will not. Thanks to affirmative action. </p>
<p>Until society adjusts the educational inequality that exists in this society (not to mention the few racist admissions officers who won't let anyone with a non-WASP name in) and affirmative action can be done away with, those of who it doesn't help will just have to survive at such terrible schools as Cornell, U PENN, and Michigan.</p>
<p>I don't think its right, Why is it suprising to see a african american with really good grades? Why can't minorites get good grades? It shouldnt be a boost or a better chance of getting it, It should be equal with any other race on this earth. yeah tbanks for taking the time to understand the concept of my thread.</p>
<p>No one disputes that there are really smart URMs out there. The harsh truth is that many top universities need to take URMs to increase their diversity and will often cut them some slack for having slightly worse grades or scores. Is this morally right? I don't believe so, but affirmative action does exist and should be taken into account in chances threads. Ignoring it skews the predictions that the posters are asking for.</p>
<p>It is very capable URMs that are getting into top schools. There are scores of smart URMs graduating every year from the Country's top prep schools--Andover and Exeter to Harvard-Westlake and Brearly. There are a growing number of smart legacy URMs. Ivies reject over 75% of URM applicants. No one is just walking in for being black!</p>
<p>universities have affirmative action to increase diversity. Having more diversity will make the university look better and people will praise them for it. It's all about reputation. If you have a problem with it, why don't you send a complaint letter to the admission boards, instead of complaining to people on the internet who have no power, only opinions.</p>
<p>Youhavenolife, like I said ONCE! I AM NOT talking about admission boards im talking about people on this message board and the chance threads, to stop playing the race card when determining someones chances to an university. omg</p>
<p>How will the get a realistic guess if they don't list enthicity? It's a key element in the admission dicission.</p>
<p>BBecker, someone who posts a "chances please" thread but without listing ethnicity is simply naive, especially since most major schools all practice affirmitave action.</p>
<p>It is necessary to post your "race" or ethnic group, but it is extremely irresponsible, and all too common, for posters on CC to blow off that applicant because he or she is an under-represented minority and say "Oh, you'll definitely get in 100% to [blank]" (I have seen this in another thread). </p>
<p>BBecker, I honestly do understand your sentiment here. Although most CCers are just trying to be accurate, although its a slippery slope, many posters are being deliberately dismissive and irresponsible toward people who really do want help with colleges. This is just another form of discrimination, despite the positive nature of the remark.</p>
<p>People can stop posting it - but it doesn't make it any less true. </p>
<p>I agree with you - it is discriminatory and offensive - but not because of the posters, it's because of the colleges who enact affirmative action.</p>
<p>I so give up, because the rest of the people think I'm just wasting my breathe. the issue is here not at the admission offices, you guys use race to determine someones possible admission decision. Maybe that is how colleges do it but people are so arrogant about it. I am a minority myself and to always be asked my race when trying to ask someone my chances is annoying. I want to have good chances because i am a great student or because i was president of a certain club for four years not because of where my parents are from. But nevermind, Ignorance is truly bliss.</p>
<p>and your not understanding our point...IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT WE SAY IN HERE!!!...THATS NOT GONNA CHANGE THE FACT THAT COLLEGES WANT DIVERSITY!...SO IF YOU DONT WANT A CORRECT EDUCATED GUESSTIMATE FOR YOUR CHANCES THEN DONT POST CHANCES THREADS AT ALL BECAUSE YOUR GONNA BE IGNORING A HUGE PART OF THE ADMISSIONS PROCESS.</p>
<p>I smell an affirmative action debate...hahaha...</p>
<p>No its not, Im through like I said. drown in your ignorance of the whole point of this thread.</p>
<p>Most universities today examine many aspects of their applicants in order to make their admissions decisions. This can mean that a student with lower scores and/or grades may get in while a student with a higher score or gpa may not. This occurs becuase the student with the lower scores may have better extracurriculars or be a better fit for the school in the eyes of the admissions officer. Most of us on this board understand and accept this, however, only when both applicants are white. As soon as the applicant with lower stats is identified as a minority the scenario seems to change to a lot of you. Don't assume that just becuase a minority is admitted over one of you non minority applicants that they got in simply becuase they are a minority. They may just be a better fit for the school. </p>
<p>I don't see what the problem is to be honest...It's not like being a minority is such a great thing! And non-minorities don't have it all that bad (not to say that minorities do) so why are you complaining? Regardless, you probably won't know if a minority with lower stats than you got in or not. If some of you have the high scores and gpas that you say, why are you even concerned? The majority of you will get into the school you really want to go to or even some other top university.</p>
<p>Oh, and I BELIEVE (not positive) that I along with many others are a tad bit off subject. What the original poster was saying is that people should not assume that an applicant has an advantage because they are a minority when they evaluate that person in one of the "chances" threads. Doing this may make a minority feel that if they do get in to the school(s) they apply for that it is not becuase of their scores and gpa but instead because the school needs to fill a quota.</p>
<p>People please stop making excuses for not getting into the top schools. If one abolished AA, there's a 98% chance you still would not get in to these schools. But with a lifetime of "white privilege" I can understand how frustated you must feel not having 100% of elite admissions.</p>
<p>This thread is not in any way about AA. Read the earlier posts please and don't barge in talking about irrelevant matters foolishly.</p>