<p>lol i dont reject your judgement bearcats since you do make good points...but it does seem to be a teeny bit biased</p>
<p>oh well.. i m just quoting studies, i have no idea how accurate they are..just for a reference. But again, i dont hate AA becoz it lessens my chance or anything, but the foundation of it. It is racist, period. Whether you get an advantage or not is based on your skin color. I am against AA for the principle but not because it practically reduces my chance.</p>
<p>I have also read the study, and in no way do I like it; but I still understand the principles behind affirmative action and why the system exists.</p>
<p>(Keeping in mind that I am against it), I think that the effect AA has on admissions decisions - though existent - is overblown on these forums. Some people on here treat it like a 1200/1800 SAT with a 3.2uw/3.6w GPA and a few extracurriculars will get a URM into Harvard. That is obviously not the case. This forum, however, seems constituted mainly by top applicants and it is only then that "race" may become a factor - but only a small one at that. </p>
<p>I've always thought that sure, maybe race is a small factor, but aren't there a slew of other things that are possible, too? I know that at my school there's a half "black", half "white" student who applied to schools as "African-American." However, it's a predominantly white school I go to and in no way would she actually affiliate herself with blacks unless it was to get some benefit. The only reason that she's going to benefit from anything is because she is already an outstanding student.</p>
<p>Unfortnately, the truth is race DOES play a huge part admissions into college X.</p>
<p>So, what is the point of having experienced professional admission officers on this forum if numerous students (many who have not begun or completed college) continue to post based off of their opinions and/or beliefs???</p>
<p>then what's the point of having doctors and professors doing their studies (i m refering to the princeton studies) if you are only going to based your belief on whatever someone tells you...of course the admissions people want you to believe it's not unfair.... do u believe everything the president tells you? No i dont, becoz so far we havent found any WMD</p>
<p>I know for a fact that U of M (before Prop 2 passed) would pick a certain minority to overadmit every year and reject the rest (the year I applied was hispanics), so don't believe what adcoms tell you (especially on this board).</p>
<p>They are liars. All of them. They know what they're doing and the stupid thing is that they think college students have no idea what's going on in during admissions. AND IT'S WRONG.</p>
<p>And WTH does our President and WMDs have to do with anything?</p>
<p>i m just saying..u cant believe everything people tell you.</p>
<p>I can definitely dispute that claim you made about the WMD's however, this isn't the appropriate forum for that. </p>
<p>Otherwise, we both agree that you can't believe what people tell you.</p>
<p>Oh, no question. AdOfficer must be just a liar and a troll & making it all up. Just spin.:rolleyes:</p>
<p>It's important to ignore officials when they inform others as to the actual <em>procedures</em> used, rather than just offering their <em>opinions.</em> Yes, the students here are unquestionably insiders on the real qualifications of 100% of minority applicants at 100% of prestigious colleges. They know the real "facts" and are in the best (and definiitely most objective) position to make such judgments. They have access to the personal recommendations, the application essays, the transcripts, the other submissions.</p>
<p>I didn't even know AdOfficer was on this thread. I just read the OP and put my two cents in. All I'm saying is that you can't believe every Adcom. At my first choice school, my adcom refused to give me the exact reason why I had not gotten in off the waitlist. I was the "perfect student" for them, and my guidance counselor along with numerous teachers and family members were shocked that I had not been accepted. </p>
<p>To this day, she will not discuss with me why I had not gotten in. There must've been a reason but they won't tell me for some unknown reason. There has to be a specific reason. There was something that triggered them to deny me admissions. </p>
<p>I KNOW that AA must've had something to do with it or else why would they refuse to give me the reason why I wasn't accepted? They aren't going to tell you that it was because of AA, they give you that ******** reason like "There were a lot of strong applicants..blah blah blah".</p>
<p>To AdOfficer: You are not a liar. There are exceptions. :)</p>
<p>I hope there are adcoms out there reading this because applicants DESERVE to know the reason behind their rejection. I didn't pay the app fee to get a ridiculous response like "There was a strong applicant pool". If an applicant asks: TELL THE TRUTH.</p>
<p>why would you assume AA had anything to do with it? maybe you weren't the perfect candidate no matter waht your GC told you</p>
<p>shocked yo weren't accepted? welcome to the real world, sad to say</p>
<p>and what is the "truth"- we had ten times as many applicants as spots...and we had 50 girls just like smurfete and didn't need 51....think of it this way, if you were the "perfect candidate" you could very well be just like a ton of other "perfect" candidates, and maybe your essays was cookie cutter, maybe they had seen girls just like you, all perfect, and that was it</p>
<p>Even my adcom thought I would get in. </p>
<p>Yes, I'm living in the real world. I'm glad I didn't get accepted. It's their loss.
I've met some wonderful professors here.</p>
<p>Is that why a lot of people got in with lower stats than mine?</p>
<p>I'm not worried about not getting in. What bothers me is that they didn't tell me the truth as to why I didn't get in. They refused to tell me, which I don't appreciate. If you made a decision about something, there must be some reason behind it.</p>
<p>then why do you think the "insider"'s point of view is more trustworthy than ACTUAL studies done by a respectable college and its professors?</p>
<p>plus, AA itself by foundation is racist, why cant people just admit that?</p>
<p>in MOST schools alot of people with stats all over the map get in....if you look at the SAT for instance, there is a RANGE of scores for every college and students get in even below that general range</p>
<p>maybe there was no "reason" just a feeling, and frankly, I sense it here on your posts sometimes....</p>
<p>its a "its not you its me" moment...what do you want them to say, your essay's were really boring, your average to us, you didn't shine enough personally, your scores were good, but we had 5 ballerinas already, and needed a tube player</p>
<p>not saying its easy, but what would finding out the "real" reason do for you? You might not like the answer</p>
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<p>What's that supposed to mean? How can someone pass judgement on me without speaking one word to me? To tell you the truth, I'm a really quiet person. I'm not argumentative (though I like to play the devil's advocate to get some discussion going) and a lot of teachers (and professors) like me. I have a lot of friends and I'm trustworthy.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the SATs are not an indicator of anything (according to one of my professors).</p>
<p>I want to know the truth. I don't know why I want to know, just a sense of closure I guess. It was my dream school for crying out loud. Also, if there was something that was not good enough for them (ACT scores), knowing that information will help me in future admissions (like med school or law school where standardized tests are required).</p>
<p>The most respectable colleges in the universe can and do produce research studies that are faulty in design, in procedures, etc. This "study" was a perfect example of highly unscientific design & failure to cross-data. The fact that it was done by people at a "respectable college" is neither here nor there. There have been studies done at Stanford, Harvard, & whole host of privates & publics that have been discredited based on not following scientific protocol. This "study," too, has been discredited.</p>
<p>when u point out the potential faultiness of a studies, have you ever thought about this? the admissions officer might be instructed by his/her superior to say something when asked a certain question. Do you think a certain admissions office would actuallly come out and say, "Yes, we use AA, and yes, AA is unfair, but if it's the only means to achieve visible diversity on campus to make us look good, we dont care if it is racist or if it hurts a perfectly qualified app;licant's chance"</p>
<p>Gahh... This is turning into another AA thread. I hate these threads so I'm out of here! </p>
<p>There are a billion AA threads and I'm tired of debating it. The only reason I mentioned AA was because of my story. </p>
<p>Personally, race should not be a factor in admissions. The race box on the apps should be abolished!</p>
<p>smurfette, my point was that there may no be any "reason", you could have had a reader who didn't like your essays, or you got the luck of the draw and there were 10 girls just like you in a row and they went eenie meenie miny moe</p>
<p>I am not just talking about SATs, but your brought up stats, so I used that example.</p>
<p>You will often not have "closure" in life....boy, think about dating, now that's a place with no closure</p>
<p>You may not get that internship, you may not get that job, whatever...</p>
<p>Sometimes life is just timing, and yours might have just been really bad</p>
<p>Maybe they let so many in and by the time they got to you, it was all full...maybe some showed more interest, maybe they needed more swimmers</p>