Strategy for Full Merit/Need based scholarship

<p>I don’t think UCLA would work…</p>

<p>Transfer applicants: Requires a GPA of 4.0 in all coursework. Must enter UCLA as a junior transfer from a California community college.</p>

<p>I don’t think the OP is attending a Calif CC.</p>

<p>I am non traditional student residing in Los Angeles, CA and taking classes online with Northeastern University ( major public affairs).</p>

<p>And, this is not an assured scholarship…typically 600 transfer students with a 4.0 are asked to compete for less than 50 awards.</p>

<p>You have run your financials to see what you EFC is. Have you run any them for CSS/Profile schools? Do you know for certain that you won’t be eligible for need based financial aid? If the answer is you are certain you aren’t eligible for need based financial aid then you need a new list! There is some chance you would be eligible for the Alumni Scholarship at UCLA: Transfer applicants: Requires a minimum GPA of 3.75 at the time of application and the equivalent of 90 UC-transferable quarter units, at least half of which were completed at California community colleges. You need something more reliable than that chance.</p>

<p>Get a divorce, check out these programs at East Coast Women’s schools: </p>

<p>Smith College (Massachusetts) - Ada Comstock Scholars
Mt. Holyoke (Massachusetts) - Frances Perkins Program
Wellesley College (Massachusetts) - Davis Scholars
Bryn Mawr ¶ - McBride Scholars</p>

<p>mom to CollegeKids. Your assumption is wrong, I have attended and still do attend a local community college in Los Angeles… I am in california right now, and I think this would work. Before transferring to Northeastern, I had actually under my belt 47 units earned at various community colleges, honor roll, 4.0 ( still on the honor roll list at Northeastern and at my local community college). I am still taking classes right now at the community college while enrolled at Northeastern. My initial plan was to stay with Northeastern, I actually thought I was going to move to Boston at one time, now that I know I won’t be going on the East coast, I am looking for a local university here in Los Angeles. I think that the feedbacks provided by Nursekay makes most sense to me. UCLA might be a good option.</p>

<p>At Rivers choice. Too funny, sadly however, I am actually in the process of divorcing my husband… which will certainly lower my income since I do not work. I’m also a mother, and the reason for wanting to stay in California is because of my child and the need to stay close to her father… I was actually approached by the University of Penn for their RUE program and encouraged to apply. I have heard of Smith program, excellent choice, I did not hear about the others however. I know that Pitzer offers a great program for non-trad students as well. The problem again, is that does not matter where I get accepted, if I am not able to afford it… I was accepted at NYU after all, their aid was horrendous, so yes, perhaps I do need to finalize some loose ends first. Thanks.</p>

<p>You need to go to whatever school you can afford, no matter where some stupid dead newsmagazine “ranks” it.</p>

<p>Plenty of Cal State students end up in graduate school, including UC graduate/professional schools.</p>

<p>That’s what I am already now polarscribe. Northeastern is a TIER 1 school, to me it matters a great deal, I am not knocking down your reasons, but TO ME, a tier 1 school matters, that being said, my goal is to transfer to a PHYSICAL campus back here in L.A that I can afford. This is it. Cal state does not make sense, and why on earth would I downgrade from a Tier 1 school to a tier 3?</p>

<p>Northeastern cost is about the same ( their CPS program) but the school ranks higher? Do you follow my reasoning? I hope so. Look, I know some cal state people who have gone to top programs, someone in my family attended the University of Michigan after transfering from Cal state, but this is not a rule. </p>

<p>My goal is to attend law school. Unfortunately,ranking is everything, and although law school will not say so, they do… and they will say that it does not matter, but IT DOES matter and their stats demonstrate THAT. Occasionally, they will recruit former underprivileged students to demonstrate that they are “liberal and compassionate” and fair…but really, it’s a facade, and they will do whatever they have to do to increase their rankings that means recruiting privileged folks from TOP universities either that or they are just plan dirt poor. Unfair, it’s the game, and I realize that the ranking game is the game I need to play to get the slight chance of being accepted at a top law school, but EVEN that will not guarantee my admission, and I am not sure some of this forum will be quick to indict me in remind me of this. </p>

<p>I will not go to just ANY school, my future depends on it, and I simply won’t lower my standards. As some have mentioned, a 4.0 should allow me to get some sort of aid perhaps not need based and attend UCLA. Well, I will do JUST that, and let faith be the ultimate JUDGE of whether or not I will get in. Again, CAL state is NOT an option for me. </p>

<p>Just my two cents, what what very little they are worth…</p>

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It’s great that you have a long-term plan for your career, but what are your plans for paying for law school?</p>

<p>a perfect LSAT score, and a sugar daddy… All kidding side, saving for sure, applying for a personal loan while fixing my credit as well. Alternatives are a full ride scholarship, et al. I know several people who have done this. There are various loan forgiveness programs which make it very affordable to study or not have repay as long as you commit yourself to a public service field. This is definitely one of the CONCRETE ways that I am considering to alleviate my financial burden when attending law school. </p>

<p>Aside from applying to TOP law schools, I plan on having a safety list of what I consider safe law schools ( TIER two that is) but I am shooting for T14, particularly Cornel or any other schools that have dual French/American law programs ( NYU does as well)… but I am not there yet, although I am part of various pre-law student organizations including CLEO and FOR people of COLOR, aside from being French/North Africans, I am also Black ( mixed-race to be exact) and would fall under the URM bracket, trust me, I am looking at everything, and I have been reviewing information on college confidential for some time now…
Thanks,</p>

<p>@missmonde: I’m only a high school student, so I lack a precise idea of law school admissions. However, I see one thing here which nobody would need a diploma to see. <em>You are only willing to hear what you want to hear</em>
The fact is, that for a non-Permanent Resident transfer student who hasn’t won the Nobel Prize, it will be near impossible to get a full merit scholarship to a nationally top-50 school. I empathize with you that these are the circumstances, and I don’t think it’s fair that transferring non-Permanent Residents have the same chances, but that’s the truth.
And a few things to clear up about CSU’s. Cal State in LA is not exactly the exemplary CSU. San Luis Obispo, LB, Chico, and Pomona are all quite good Tier 1 schools, so <em>realistically</em> those should be your focuses.
You say,

It’s reasonable for you to seek the best that you can feasibly achieve, but it is indeed unreasonable to feel entitled to the top degree in the state. Just because have 4.0’s and are trilingual (which is very impressive, to be sure), doesn’t entitle you the top 3 in Cali.
One of my best friends wasn’t a permanent resident in the US, and while she was a freshman applicant, she had to pass up admission to Duke and Brown to attend the Tier-4 Chatham University, in Pittsburgh, PA. However, she managed to turn it up at Chatham and now she is completing her MD-PHD at University of Virginia School of Medicine (which is comparable if not harder in competitiveness to the top14 JD programs.
I hope I don’t sound rude, and I agree that this is the problem with the American education system.</p>

<p>My dad’s undergraduate degree is from San Fernando Valley State College, n</p>

<p>You do not need to be single to be a Frances Perkins Scholar at Mount Holyoke, and I doubt you need to be single to participate in the other similar programs listed. If you are willing to relocate, I think that your stats and your history might be very interesting to the non-traditional programs at prestigious women’s colleges such as those mentioned. </p>

<p>Also, since you are taking online classes through Northeastern, is there any chance that you could move to Boston and finish your degree at that school?</p>

<p>Sorry, I see that you considered attending Northeastern in person, but now plan to stay in CA. Sorry.</p>

<p>If you are willing move within California, Mills College might be of interest to you. About a third of their students are transfers, which translates to a very transfer-friendly environment:</p>

<p>[Mills</a> College :: Undergraduate Admission :: Transfer Students](<a href=“http://www.mills.edu/admission/undergraduate/transfer_students.php]Mills”>http://www.mills.edu/admission/undergraduate/transfer_students.php)</p>

<p>The offer Trustee scholarships for full tuition to some transfer students. This is very impressive, as getting financial aid as a transfer is very challenging at most institutions:</p>

<p>[Mills</a> College :: Undergraduate Admission :: Scholarships](<a href=“http://www.mills.edu/admission/undergraduate/scholarships.php]Mills”>http://www.mills.edu/admission/undergraduate/scholarships.php)</p>

<p>* As some have mentioned, a 4.0 should allow me to get some sort of aid perhaps not need based and attend UCLA. Well, I will do JUST that,*</p>

<p>Maybe I’m misunderstanding your words above, but it sounds like you think that your 4.0 will give you a big merit scholarship to UCLA. The UCLA Regents scholarship for transfer students is not assured for someone with a 4.0. First you have to be invited to apply. About 600 students are invited to apply…but less than 50 actually are given the Regents. The number is often closer to 40. That means that about 6% of the invited/qualified transfer applicants are awarded Regents.</p>

<p>Honestly, I am in Los Angeles, and the average person I have run into 9times out of 10 does not/did not have any comparable international experience as close to the one I have experienced</p>

<p>You live in LOS ANGELES and you don’t think people have international experience like yours? Over half the people in LA don’t speak English as their native language and 40% of the population was born outside of the U.S. Why would you think other Angelenos don’t have international experience?</p>

<p>Here’s my advice. You are geographically limited, so you can only apply to schools on the West Coast - CA, and maybe OR or WA. Your strategy is to find what schools in CA (and maybe OR and WA) offer merit scholarships, and apply to those at which you rank in the top 5% of transfer students - maybe top 10%.</p>

<p>Do not overestimate the importance of your international experience. The schools you listed - Pomona, Pitzer and Occidental to a certain extent, UCLA - get hundreds of transfer slots every year from very qualified students; a lot of them are certain to have int’l experience and these schools can pick anyone they want. You’ll get the most merit aid (if any is available for transfer students to begin with) at places where you are in the top 5%, maybe top 10%, of transfer students.</p>

<p>Another option is to wait until your divorce is final from your husband, before you apply. If you anticipate your divorce will be final by Feb or Mar 2012, then you can apply now because I believe FAFSA asks you if you are married on the day you file the form (but you should check that). If you don’t have an income, your EFC should be zero, which will help if you can get into a school that meets full need for transfers.</p>

<p>Cal States do make sense, you want to know why? Because you may not be able to <em>afford</em> to go anywhere else. You can talk about how you want to go to a tier 1 school all you want, but you can go where you can pay. I think you are very misguided about your opinions on getting into law school; Cal State students get into top law schools all the time. Tier 1 kids are overrepresented at top law schools for multiple reasons. One (small) reason may be a slight edge in the admissions process, but other bigger reasons are 1) they’re more likely to be able to afford most or all of it anyway, 2) they’re more likely to be legacies, and 3) they’re more likely to be motivated to go to top law schools in the first place. Among other reasons I may have forgotten. Law school admissions are FAR more interested in your GPA and your LSAT scores than where you went to school - especially at a recognizable university like the Cal States. They’re not exactly West Podunk State or anything.</p>

<p>Two other things concern me:</p>

<p>1) It’s ironic to me that you won’t even consider the idea that someone from a Cal State can get into law school easily, but you mention getting a full-ride scholarship to a TOP 15 LAW SCHOOL like it’s nothing. I would NOT rely on a full-ride…some schools don’t even give merit aid to law students, and you need to be Jesus to get one if they do because they will offer 1-3 per year. I think it’s far more likely that you can get into a T15 law school from Cal State than it is that you’ll get a full ride to a T15 law school.</p>

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<p>2) Public service forgiveness only applies to public Stafford loans. There are two things you said that are inaccurate. First of all, they don’t make school more affordable - the schools are exactly the same price as they were before. Secondly, they <em>do not</em> mean that you don’t have to pay anything. Public service loan forgiveness means that IF you get a public service job after law school, and IF you work in that sector for 10 years, after that time the BALANCE of your loans will be forgiven. However, during those 10 years you will have to make payments on your loans. There’s also a caveat - you have to be eligible for income-based repayment in order to be eligible for public service loan forgiveness (because if you are on the standard repayment program, you won’t have anything left to forgive after 10 years).</p>

<p>You are allowed to borrow up to $20,500 a year in Stafford loans as a grad student. Most tier 1 law schools cost between $60K and $80K per year, which means you’ll have to borrow an additional $40K to $60K <em>per year</em> to pay for law school in private loans. That means you’ll have around $2,000 in student loans to pay (at an assumed interest rate of around 8%) every month ON TOP of your federal loan burden. Assuming that you make $80,000 a year (which is a lot to assume in public service law), your monthly payment on the Stafford loans with IBR will be about $800, so that means that your total repayment will be about $2,800 a month.</p>

<p>Some top law schools do have public service programs that help their students in public service law pay back law school loans - Harvard, for example, has a Low-Income Payment Program for public service lawyers. That means even if you make $80,000 a year, your monthly payments will be $1,066 a month, which is a lot less than the $2800…but still a lot of money. That plus taxes reduces an $80K income to a little less than $50K.</p>

<p>@ polarscribes. Congrats to your dad, send him my regards.</p>

<p>@ EastCoastGirl. Thanks. I never heard of Mills. I’ll check it out right now!</p>

<p>Cheers.</p>

<p>Hi Momtocollegekids. Hey, I’ll take any help I can get… It’s worth a try, isn’t it? Who knows I might hit the jackpot although I doubt it. </p>

<p>Cheers.</p>

<p>As of the initial post on May 12th, OP did not mention a pending divorce, but lamented that her husband’s $55k was preventing her for getting a good FA package. As of May 18th, a divorce is in the pipeline.</p>

<p>Is anyone here knowledgeable about any potential ramifications to OP if the pending divorce is solely to get better financial aid for OP?</p>

<p>There’s another thread about parents divorcing for better aid for their kids. What about young married couples?</p>

<p>I’m not saying that the divorce is being done to increase FA; I’m just wondering what the negative ramifications might be, in case the divorce is being done for this reason.</p>