<p>Masters programs in academic subjects are not real money-makers. Professional subjects, bus, etc, absolutely. That’s why there’s a tiered fee structure with higher fees professional grad programs over non-professional, academic subjects.</p>
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<p>How can they not be, particularly in the humanities? Charge $35k in tuition for a few courses. No housing/dorms required. No extra buildings required. No impact on physical plant. Helps subsidize the professoriate.</p>
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<p>Perhaps true, but my real point was that Cal does not have the autonomy to do so without permission from upon high, i.e., Sacto.</p>
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<p>My suggestion is to expand terminal MA’s. Plenty of departments do not offer them. Columbia even offers them part-time.</p>
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<p>Yeah, but not exclusively. He HAS to be a team player. He could not do something that would benefit Cal but hurt Merced, for example. Can’t happen.</p>
<p>How can you charge $35K for someone who’s just going for a masters and will end up teaching at some local community college? </p>
<p>I agree, most grad students are independent apt dwellers, hopefully near campus, but, that amount of money for humanities tuition, etc, when they have moderate teaching aspirations, may put them in debt forever.</p>
<p>I think master programs in fairly similar subjects they offer at UC are almost seemingly open admissions already. If you charge $35K the U’s will have to start looking for masters candidates actively.</p>
<p>I hope you’d be right and I’d be wrong, however.</p>
<p>Just saw this thread on the ‘Parents forum’ here on CC…</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1122539-uc-tuition-fees-could-double.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1122539-uc-tuition-fees-could-double.html</a></p>
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<p>Easy. Plenty of private colleges do so today. UoP in Stockton charges $33k in tuition. St. Mary’s in Moraga charges $25k.</p>
<p>Cal’s grad programs are at least as good as Harvard’s, and perhaps better, so why not charge market prices? Think about all the liberal arts majors that can’t get jobs. They would pay money to stay in school for another year or two. :)</p>
<p>They don’t all have to be teacher-wannabes. Perhaps they just want to take a gap year before applying to law school. Perhaps they want to strengthen their CV for a run at a top PhD program. Perhaps they want to hang for another year to see if the Bears make it to the Rose Bowl. Perhaps they went to Stanford and want a “better” degree. (sorry, couldn’t resist.) The reasons are endless. If Columbia, Chicago and NYU and other top Unis can rake in the dough with terminal MA’s, why not Cal and UCLA and SD? (Merced would have to pay people to attend.)</p>
<p>It’s marketing 101: sell your strengths.</p>
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<p>The broader point is that Birgenau couldn’t do it if he wanted to, even with Faculty Senate support.</p>
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<p>Oh come on, UCBChemEGrad. You don’t think that Berkeley poaches faculty from other schools? “Raping” public and private schools alike for their own benefit? Berkeley is as strong as it is because it’s done that! Academia is very dog-eat-dog. Berkeley will steal faculty wherever it can–from those who are weaker than it, i.e. those with less money. And the top privates will do the same to Berkeley: because it has less money to retain those faculty.</p>
<p>Stanford also could benefit by taking arts faculty from Berkeley, because Stanford is comparatively weak in the arts. But even outside the arts, Stanford stands to benefit quite a lot. Sure its faculty is strong, but it can always be stronger–and of course its goal is to beat Harvard. Don’t worry, it likely won’t take any of Berkeley’s big players–they’re too expensive and not worth it given that they’re older. No, it’ll take the assistant profs, the ones that are hardest for Berkeley to retain (most of the faculty who leave are assistant profs), and maybe some associate profs.</p>
<p>Of all the UCs, though, Berkeley is the one who has to worry the least about HYPSM. For one, it has more money, and two, it has a big name, both of which make it harder to pull faculty away. The lesser-known UCs have more to worry about, esp. their star faculty.</p>
<p>^ Hey, I said it was a rant. :)</p>
<p>Berkeley will likely remain the best public university and weather this fiscal crisis. A lot of academia is egalatarian who probably are attracted to Berkeley’s public philosophy.</p>
<p>UC and Cal State leaders voice fear about possible ‘all cuts’ budget</p>
<p>May 16, 2011 | 6:49 pm</p>
<p>The leaders of Californias two public university systems expressed fear Monday about what they said could be devastating cuts and sharply higher student tuition if the taxes that Gov. Jerry Brown is seeking are not approved. In that case, the 10-campus UC and 23-campus Cal State could see a doubling of the $500 million in state funding cuts each system already is facing for next year. </p>
<p>UC President Mark G. Yudof said Monday that a possible $1-billion reduction for each university system if the tax measures fail would be unconscionable. Cal State Chancellor Charles B. Reed said such a cut would inflict lasting damage to the university.</p>
<p>UC already has an 8% tuition hike in the works for the coming school year, and Yudof has raised the possibility of a further 32% increase to cover the gap if Browns tax plan collapses. The UC regents are meeting in San Francisco this week and will discuss the budget situation but are not expected to take any action on tuition until the political situation in Sacramento is clarified. </p>
<p>Last week, Reed told Cal State trustees that the university system could be forced to increase tuition for full-time undergraduates by 32% next year in addition to a 10% hike already approved for fall 2011. He also said that 20,000 qualified applicants could be turned away for the winter and spring terms. </p>
<p>Source: [UC</a> and Cal State leaders voice fear about possible ‘all cuts’ budget | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times](<a href=“Archive blogs”>Archive blogs)</p>
<p>^ Stupid Jerry Brown and California want half of the $6 billion in additional revenue to go to the failing K-12 system because it has a funding guarantee with the teacher’s union…and let the model higher education system California built up move towards privatization.</p>
<p>Back to the question of the op, if you’re still there…</p>
<p>So much of the talk about “reputation” and “best programs” is geared toward historical information. The campus environment is only as good as the current teaching faculty. It is very easy now to go to the web site of each college and start perusing faculty bio’s and research programs. Some of the famous names that helped build the reputation of any particular campus are no longer active in teaching and research. Conversely, some mavericks may turn up in unexpected places because of the limited number of faculty openings in their particular specialty or something as inconsequential as the availability of good surfing nearby. Look at the interests of the new, untenured faculty and see if they inspire you. It is tedious, but in the end your future career could depend on the connections and bonds you make with an individual faculty member, not the U.S. News statistic.</p>
<p>^ interesting approach, but what happens when the prof you are chasing doesn’t stay put?</p>
<p>OP, it seems like neuroscience is one strong interest. It is considered an interdisciplinary study, and as such, it’s really important to learn where it is headquartered at a particular school. You mention cognitive, and indeed, many schools offer that shade of neuroscience within their psychology department. Other schools base their neuroscience studies in the science department with more bio and chem than you might find if it’s treated as a social science. I think, without knowing for sure, that Berk’s primary neurosci studies are in psych whereas UCLA’s are in the natural sciences. Reed, for sure, includes it in psych.</p>
<p>If this is your number one interest, I’d study the degree map and courses relating to neuroscience at your top colleges to see if you can detect what appeals to you and what doesn’t. </p>
<p>Because you’ve expressed many other interests, I’d also cross-sample some of those other areas at your top schools to be sure you will have plenty from which to choose. Obviously, a big university is likely to support any path you choose. Although small, Reed supports a surprisingly broad field of studies, but may be more limited when it comes to a couple of things on your list, e.g., strictly speaking, Journalism is not a degree plan, thus you won’t find an array of clinical classes where you learn how to and practice writing in various journalistic styles for different media and audiences. With that said, of course, learning to write well is a huge part of the Reed experience, and Reedies have certainly gone on to make careers in journalism.</p>
<p>U.C. Berkeley stares down double-barrel budget catastrophe</p>
<p>San Francisco Business Times - by Steven E.F. Brown
Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 1:52pm PDT</p>
<p>“We should expect that the federal government will be curtailing spending,” said John Wilton.</p>
<p>Just as the University of California, Berkeley, drank the bitter medicine of $500 million in proposed cuts for the U.C. system in Gov. Jerry Brown’s first budget proposal, it now faces the possibility of $1 billion in cuts, plus likely reductions in federal funding, on which it has come to depend.</p>
<p>Those $500 million in cuts would amount to about $70 million to $80 million in cuts from U.C. Berkeley’s annual budget, said John Wilton, Cal’s vice chancellor for administration and finance. Combined with about $40 million in “unavoidable cost increases” from benefits payments and utility bills, Wilton said, the university has had to find a way to cut its budget by $110 million to $120 million.</p>
<p>So far, Wilton said, Cal has boosted its revenue by about $50 million, mostly by charging out-of-state students more, but also through painful cost cuts across campus departments. That leaves another $60 million to be found, and borrowing $30 million from a reserve account “we think was overfunded” ain’t a permanent solution.</p>
<p>University vice chancellors have been ordered to look at other reserve accounts in hopes of finding extra money, the way you or I might hopefully turn over our couch cushions looking for nickels, dimes and quarters. Wilton, a former World Bank economist, said some of this reserve money could serve as a bridge “for a few years” to make ends meet.</p>
<p>But now the university has more severe problems. Gov. Brown’s new “all-cuts” budget proposal – if some temporary state taxes aren’t extended – doubles the cut to the U.C. system to $1 billion. That would add, by Wilton’s math, another $70 million to $80 million in cuts to Cal’s budget alone.</p>
<p>University of California President Mark Yudof said Monday that such huge cuts “would be unconscionable – to the university, its students and families, and to the state that it has served for nearly a century and a half.”</p>
<p>Another problem looms, too, as the university has changed one sugar daddy, the state, for another one, the federal government, and the federal budget ain’t any more dependable.</p>
<p>As recently as 2003, Wilton said, the state was the top funding source for U.C. Berkeley. Now the state has dropped to fourth, behind the federal government, philanthropy and student fees. Next year’s projected budget has philanthropy falling to third as higher student fees, particularly those on out-of-state students, kick in.</p>
<p>One Cal professor said he expects big drops in support for graduate students in the coming years, which means many of them won’t be able to afford to come to Berkeley. He also thinks students from foreign countries, many of whom come to Cal for their graduate degrees, will have a tougher time getting into underfunded programs.</p>
<p>Some critics have complained that a university that admits more high paying out-of-state students at the cost of turning away California kids isn’t really a “state” school at all.</p>
<p>“The state has proved to be an unreliable partner,” said Wilton. But he doesn’t think the federal government is likely to be more reliable.</p>
<p>Wilton said the federal government’s stimulus spending (which the university has gotten plenty of) and the Great Recession have worked together to swell the deficit to such an extent that U.C. Berkeley cannot expect the current level of federal support to continue in an uncertain future.</p>
<p>“The U.S. federal debt level could become unsustainable,” Wilton said. “We should expect that the federal government will be curtailing spending.”</p>
<p>In a video talk to the campus community last week, Wilton said: “It’s not all doom and gloom.”</p>
<p>That was before the latest budget proposal.</p>
<p>It may not be all doom and gloom, but it’s sure to be Sturm und Drang.</p>
<p>Read more: U.C. Berkeley stares down double-barrel budget catastrophe | San Francisco Business Times</p>
<p>Source: [U.C</a>. Berkeley stares down double-barrel budget catastrophe | San Francisco Business Times](<a href=“http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2011/05/18/uc-berkeley-budget-catastrophe.html]U.C”>http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2011/05/18/uc-berkeley-budget-catastrophe.html)</p>
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<p>Fortunately, UCB has been actively building up its $“Reserves”$ ;p</p>
<p>Campaign Goals</p>
<p>“The University will raise $3 billion to support Berkeley’s students, faculty, research and programs. Half of the goal, more than $1.5 billion, already has been raised as of June 2009. The quiet phase of The Campaign for Berkeley began on July 1, 2005. The public phase runs for five years, ending June 30, 2013”</p>
<p>Source: <a href=“http://campaign.berkeley.edu/learn-more/goals.cfm[/url]”>http://campaign.berkeley.edu/learn-more/goals.cfm</a></p>
<p>University of California weighs varying tuitions at its 10 campuses</p>
<p>Proponents say demand should help set price; they cite benefits to all campuses. Critics call the idea elitist and say it would undercut UC’s unified system.</p>
<p>UCLA is bustling. University of California regents are weighing the merits… (Mariah Tauger / Los Angeles Time)</p>
<p>May 09, 2011|By Larry Gordon, Los Angeles Times</p>
<p>Should an education at UC Berkeley cost more than one at UC Santa Cruz? Should a student pay $11,000 in tuition at UC Riverside while his friend is billed $16,000 at UCLA?</p>
<p>Leaders of the 10-campus University of California system are considering such questions as they grapple with state budget reductions that already have led to tuition increases, staff layoffs and cuts in class offerings.</p>
<p>Advocates of allowing undergraduate tuition to vary by campus say that the change would raise funds the schools could share and that consumer demand should play a bigger role in setting tuition. But opponents contend that the idea is inherently elitist and could harm the unified nature of the UC system.</p>
<p>The debate is similar to tensions within large corporations with many divisions, said R. Michael Tanner, chief academic officer and vice president at the Assn. of Public and Land-grant Universities. "Some say, ‘Cut us free and let us be our own profit center,’ " he said.</p>
<p>Nationally, UC is late to the debate, with many other state university systems long ago having established differential tuitions for their campuses, said Tanner, a former administrator at UC Santa Cruz and the University of Illinois at Chicago.</p>
<p>But, he said, most such systems have a single clearly recognized flagship, such as the University of Texas at Austin or the University of Wisconsin at Madison, which typically are allowed to charge higher tuition than the others.</p>
<p>In contrast, UC has UC Berkeley and UCLA, both often considered flagships, and several other campuses with high national rankings, he and other analysts said. In another difference from many other states, California also has a second public university system, the Cal State system, which traditionally has emphasized its teaching mission more than academic research and charges lower tuition than UC.</p>
<p>Perhaps not surprisingly, officials at UC Berkeley and UCLA have been among the most vocal advocates for some freedom in setting undergraduate tuition rates, which now are established uniformly by UC’s Board of Regents. The board has raised basic in-state tuition 8% for next school year, to $11,124. Campuses charge varying other fees for student activities, health, parking, and room and board that can bring total costs to more than $27,000 a year. UC’s graduate and professional schools set varying tuitions, with approval from the regents.</p>
<p>Source: [University</a> of California tuition: Regents weigh varying tuitions at University of California campuses - Los Angeles Times](<a href=“http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/09/local/la-me-uc-tuition-20110509]University”>University of California weighs varying tuitions at its 10 campuses)</p>
<p>Riverside is a very good campus when it comes to Creative Writing.</p>
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Pfft!..so says the Los Angeles Times :rolleyes:</p>
<p>^^hahahahahahahahaha</p>
<p>Always trying to promote ‘UC Southern Branch’.</p>
<p>I think allowing the UCs to independently raise tuition would make sense given that each UC has a different budget. Some require more funds than others. Tuition doesn’t “unify” them any more than the number of trees on each campus do.</p>
<p>With these drastic budget cuts, it’s time for the UCs’ alumni to step up and save the quality of their alma maters. Berkeley alone has some 450,000 alumni. $120 million could be made up if they launched a fundraising campaign, maybe with the title “Save Cal.”</p>
<p>The one good thing about this: it gives the UCs an opportunity to break from the legislature, which is obviously unstable in its support. UVA had to do the same, and I think the UCs, esp. Berkeley and UCLA, are better positioned to pull off the privatizing-a-public scheme (because, IMO, those two are higher-quality than UVA… but just because UCLA is also great doesn’t make it California’s flagship public. Those who think that are probably the sort who get mad that Berkeley has claimed the name “Cal”).</p>
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<p>I’m sure the administration will set up some aggressive fundraising and the alumni will come through…they did when Cal wanted to cut some sports last year.</p>
<p>Cal needs some of its wealthy alumni to make some big donations. Could be a good time for someone to gain hero status. Anyone want to slap their name on the College of Chemistry (ala USC Dornsife)? Haha!</p>
<p>“Should an education at UC Berkeley cost more than one at UC Santa Cruz? Should a student pay $11,000 in tuition at UC Riverside while his friend is billed $16,000 at UCLA?”</p>
<p>Certainly!! As a matter of fact, that is exactly what has been amongst the Big Ten Schools in which the students who study at the regional campuses pay much less.</p>
<p>The problem is that big donations tend to be a luxury, restricted for a specific purpose, whereas these budget shortfalls are across several units and probably come from general funds. So what it needs is thousands of “little heroes” who will together contribute enough to bridge the gap. I’m sure that Berkeley can do it, as its alumni are probably the most loyal out of all the UCs, and it also probably has the largest alum base. The ones who have more to worry about, in terms of alumni bridging the gap, are the “lower” UCs. In the grand scheme of things, Berkeley and UCLA are going to weather these budget cuts the best, esp. since they already have large endowments. The rest are screwed if they can’t find a way to bridge the gap.</p>
<p>I wonder whether UCLA, or any other UC, has set up a separate endowment management company, as Berkeley recently did.</p>