<p>barrons: yes. </p>
<p>synthesis helps reinforce learning, doesn’t it…???</p>
<p>Double submission? self-plagiarizism? LOLOLOLOLOLOL </p>
<p>What’s next? If two math teachers put similar math problems on a test, the same student can’t use his same method for solving? </p>
<p>Where is it written that a student can’t submit a similar essay for 2 classes if it works for both?</p>
<p>People do that with research, college app essays, etc, etc, etc.</p>
<p>I think most of you parents probably went to college before the huge overhaul of honor codes and academic integrity. I’m not saying students used to be more dishonest, but submitting the same paper for different classes without permission from both professors is now a violation of academic integrity at most schools. It is clearly spelled out in student handbooks as well. I honestly think this may have changed since most parents here were in school, as evidenced by the following line in my school’s academic integrity pamphlet: </p>
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<p>I don’t think turning in the same paper for two different classes is “plagiarism,” but it does fall under the category of “academic dishonesty.”</p>
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<p>What if I cite my own work? A quote at the beginning, a quote at the end, and a footnote that reads “Bovertine’s History Paper.” This is absurd.</p>
<p>But if it’s expressly forbidden then it’s against the rules and you suffer the consequences.</p>
<p>Laugh all you want, sounds like the institution in question takes the issue pretty seriously.</p>
<p>CU - I encountered similar policies in graduate school in the late 80s (not that I tried it).</p>
<p>Yale does explicitly forbid the submission of identical or nearly identical papers in different courses. Some other colleges do, as well. The OP should check the policy of the school in question. If they have none, then I think they would have a hard time enforcing sanctions against the student. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, that doesn’t mean that I think it is ok. A student who writes a single paper for two courses is gaining a time advantage over other students in both of those classes (and in the student’s other classes as well, in fact). Caltech manages to have a very simply stated rule, which would rule this practice out. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I agree with those who think the idea of “self-plagiarism” is nonsense. With regard to faculty who submit similar papers to different publications: generally, the faculty member just gains a bloated publication list as a result. A benefit accrues only when people count papers, rather than reading them. (Admittedly, there are a few people around who just look at the total number of publications.)</p>
<p>And then it gets published in an Anthology of reader with more minor edits.
If they have an express rule fine-don’t do it. If not–no problem either.</p>
<p>There’s actually a lot of controversy over this within academia. Some people think it’s outright fraud and should be severely sanctioned. Others think it’s not a problem. My own view is that it depends on 1) whether the institution’s own policies or codes of academic conduct say anything about it, and 2) what were the expectations of the professors involved, and were those expectations conveyed clearly to the students? </p>
<p>I think most professors would expect that all the work students turn in for their course is original, and not merely recycled from another course–unless the student arranges with the professor in advance to do so. In the latter case, the professor would in most cases require that the student make substantial additions to or changes from prior work for which credit in another class was already granted, or perhaps require a more substantial paper than was originally assigned if it’s understood that the work is going to count simultaneously for credit in two classes. Otherwise it’s a kind of double-dipping, in which the student is getting away with less effort than is expected to get credit for one of the courses. If those expectations were clear from the outset and were violated, then at a minimum the student shouldn’t get credit for the paper in one of the courses, i.e., an “F” for the paper, which could affect the final grade in the course unless an opportunity for a make-up is allowed. But more severe sanctions might also be appropriate if it’s a clear violation of stated rules or policies, in which case it IS just outright academic fraud, on the same level as copying someone’s answers on a test or plagiarizing someone’s written work.</p>
<p>If those expectations weren’t clear from the outset, however, it may be inappropriate to apply severe sanctions. In that case the appropriate response would be a mild statement of disapproval, coupled with a change in the school’s code of academic conduct or in the individual professor’s syllabus to put future students on notice that double-dipping won’t be tolerated, at least not without the express permission of the professor.</p>
<p>I agree that OP needs to who what the honor code at the school covers. It will be considered academic dishonesty. Dartmouth considers it a violation of the Honor Code:</p>
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<p>Given the fundamental nature of the Academic Honor Principle in an academic community, students should expect to be suspended if they engage in acts of academic dishonesty. Any student who submits work which is not his or her own, or commits other acts of academic dishonesty, violates the purposes of the College and is subject to disciplinary action, up to and including suspension or separation.</p>
<p>The COS will consider aggravating and mitigating factors, sanctions imposed in other Academic Honor Principle cases and the student’s prior disciplinary history in determining appropriate sanctions in individual cases. If a student is found responsible for violating the Academic Honor Principle, the COS acknowledges that the faculty may reserve the right to fail the student for the exercise, the course, or both.</p>
<p>Don’t colleges even encourage double-dipping by allowing one to repeat a class and take the lower grade off the transcript? What about the kid from Spain who also speaks French and takes French 101 aces it with no work? Or the well read kid who has read most of the works included in an English class in his high school AP class and has the old class notes on them-and a paper he can just touch-up and submit. Tough line to draw.</p>
<p>A rule is a rule. But it does sort of meet my theorem that the sillier and more confusing the rule, the more text it takes to explain. And even after all that, they concede that it may not be clear in every specific case.</p>
<p>Though shalt not steal - nice and terse.</p>
<p>I can’t believe the reactions here. Of course it’s wrong. I don’t think it’s plagiarism, per se, but it is seeking credit for a class without doing the work. And I don’t know of any college that doesn’t expressly forbid it. It’s not close to the line at all; it’s a clear violation of academic standards. And it’s dishonest. And, I suspect, it’s one of the more common forms of academic dishonesty, especially given how people are reacting here.</p>
<p>But, can one steal from himself?</p>
<p>So JHS, what about the student who takes a class he already has mastered in private study, life work or high school?</p>
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<p>How exactly is it not doing the work? It may be against a rule, and if you violate a rule you suffer the consequences. But if they ask you to submit a paper on something, and you submit the paper, exactly how is that not doing the work? </p>
<p>Frankly, in my job if I were asked to complete a project and I decided to do it twice, so as not to “plagiarize” myself, I’d likely be fired for wasting time.</p>
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Is this meant to imply that you assume people who think the rule is silly have violated the rule? Just because someone thinks a rule is unclear or asinine doesn’t mean they have violated it. But thanks for the subtle moral judgement.</p>
<p>To clarify: our honor code specifically forbids submitting work for credit in a class if that work is also submitted for credit in a second class, without permission of the instructors. I have had students ask for permission, and I have agreed so long as the combined length/depth of the single paper is equal to the two separate assignments. (So if the student wants to write a single paper for two classes in which there are ten-page papers assigned, the student must write one twenty-page paper.) </p>
<p>The violation was discovered accidentally–I work in a small academic department and happened to be talking about my students’ papers with a colleague, and we realized we had received the same paper. Both classes are upper-level seminars, and we both allow students to choose their own topics.</p>
<p>I am still trying to figure out how a student would be able to submit the same paper for 2 different classes. In my personal experience, as well as my kids, all written assignments are very specific to a course and would be difficult to recycle, unless the assignment is very broad. Can someone give me an example of when this would be possible? I would think that assignments would be so specific as to make this practice difficult.</p>
<p>I’ve seen several syllabi from many classes at different universities that expressly forbid double submission without prior permission. </p>
<p>In the real world (at least, this is the way it used to be), a writer couldn’t write an article for Magazine A and turn around and immediately submit the exact same article to Magazine B. It depended on the contract – some magazines used to give a timeframe (that you could resell after 6 months, for example). And writers could rework articles for noncompeting media – usually with permission from the original publishing source. I’m not freelancing anymore, and with the internet, I’m not sure what contracts say now.</p>
<p>As a professor, it’s always good to have these things spelled out in the syllabus. My inclination would be to give no credit for that paper.</p>
<p>BobbyCT, Sometimes freshman comp or advanced comp will give very open research paper assignments.</p>
<p>What about lawyers writing briefs? Assuming it’s possible to use similar thought processes and legal precedents in two different courts or for different cases, is there something inherently dishonest about reusing your work? Of course I’m assuming there may be instances where this is possible, and I know little about law.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t be surprised if there is a lot of this “self-plagiarism” in legislation. I know for a fact that this type of paralleling and uniformity is encouraged in the regulatory world (where I work).</p>